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Concert shots with Rebel XT Suggestions Please
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Eugene Wendland - 24 Mar 2006 01:19 GMT Hi
I'd like some input regarding shooting at concerts. I'm using the EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM for most of the shots and also have a EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM. I'm not looking at shooting at large arena type concerts but the more intimate concert venues where on would be 10 to 35 feet from the stage. Typically the performer's lit with a spotlight while everything else is dark. Could someone suggest a camera setting that would be a good place to start?
Thanks
Eugene
C J Southern - 24 Mar 2006 01:31 GMT > I'd like some input regarding shooting at concerts. I'm using the EF-S > 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM for most of the shots and also have a EF 70-300mm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > else is dark. Could someone suggest a camera setting that would be a good > place to start? Are you able to use a flash?
Eugene Wendland - 24 Mar 2006 02:00 GMT Sorry - no flash
Thanks
Eugene
>> I'd like some input regarding shooting at concerts. I'm using the EF-S >> 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM for most of the shots and also have a EF 70-300mm [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Are you able to use a flash? fishfry - 24 Mar 2006 02:11 GMT > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > else is dark. Could someone suggest a camera setting that would be a good > place to start? Take a shot, look at the lcd, adjust the exposure, till it looks decent. Or even better, turn on the histogram to see exactly what your exposures look like.
Paul Furman - 24 Mar 2006 02:19 GMT > turn on the histogram to see exactly what your exposures > look like. This is a particularly good idea in dim lighting the LCD may appear brighter with your eyes adjusted to the darkness.
Colin D - 24 Mar 2006 03:23 GMT > > Hi > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Or even better, turn on the histogram to see exactly what your exposures > look like. I have photographed classical choirs on stage, a bit different in that the lighting was much broader and more even across the stage, in contrast (no pun intended) to a spot-lit performer, but appropos the suggestion above from 'fishfry' (reminds me it's friday night, yum yum) about looking at the lcd; in a theatre, where the audience is basically in the dark, the lcd will shine like a beacon and distract everybody around. Much better to see if you can get in on a rehearsal, or else at the beginning of he show before it really starts, check your exposures, then turn the lcd off.
Colin D.
Paul Furman - 24 Mar 2006 02:13 GMT > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > else is dark. Could someone suggest a camera setting that would be a good > place to start? Aperture priority mode wide open f/4-5.6 and keep an eye on the shutter speed to be sure it's hand holdable and if not lean on the wall or increase the ISO. Put the metering mode in whatever is most center weighted, spot meter if available. Put it in manual mode if metering is a problem, the aperture is already set, just dial the shutter speed in.
Marc Sabatella - 24 Mar 2006 04:42 GMT > Aperture priority mode wide open f/4-5.6 and keep an eye on the > shutter speed to be sure it's hand holdable and if not lean on the > wall or increase the ISO. Expect to need ISO 1600 no matter what. This IS will help with hand-holding shots, but musicians tend to move, so you still need reasonably fast shutter speeds, and it's rare that lighting is good enough that you'll get a sharp image at f4 and above otherwise. Also, consider applying some negative EV compensation - underexposing versus what the meter tells you is appropriate. Otherwise, the metering will be suggesting a shutter speed slow enough to make the scene look as brightly lit as the "average" scene, which it probably isn't. As a bonus, the negative EV compensation will speed up the shutter even more.
Beyond that, just take lots and lots of shots, and expect that most will suck.
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C J Southern - 24 Mar 2006 07:14 GMT > Expect to need ISO 1600 no matter what. This IS will help with > hand-holding shots, but musicians tend to move, so you still need [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Beyond that, just take lots and lots of shots, and expect that most will > suck. I'd be inclined to see if there was any way that you could be allowed to use a flash - I suspect it'll make a big difference. Worst they can do is say no. Perhaps a bribe with some free publicity shots?
David Dyer-Bennet - 24 Mar 2006 19:09 GMT > > Expect to need ISO 1600 no matter what. This IS will help with > > hand-holding shots, but musicians tend to move, so you still need [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > a flash - I suspect it'll make a big difference. Worst they can do is say > no. Perhaps a bribe with some free publicity shots? The other thing is that your photos won't *look* like performance shots if they're lit by flash. Flash comes from the direction of the camera, and stage lighting is essentially always off in some very different direction.
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Marc Sabatella - 24 Mar 2006 20:21 GMT > I'd be inclined to see if there was any way that you could be allowed > to use > a flash - I suspect it'll make a big difference. It will, as others indicated, make the shot look considerably less like we expect a concert shot to look. Also, as a professional musician, I can say that flash from any distance close to enough to actually be effective can be extremely distracting. Yes, you can always ask, but often musicians won't have the guts to say no, even though they really mind. It's sort of like asking someone if they mind if you smoke - sure, it gives them opportunity to tell you not to, but realistically, it also puts people in an awkward position, and you might be causing some resentment if they say "go ahead" but it really does bother them.
Oh, I don't remember if anyone said this, but if not shooting RAW, choose the warmest white balance setting you have (generally incandescent). And expect the shots will still look quite orange - most stage lighting is *very* intensely warm.
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C J Southern - 25 Mar 2006 06:29 GMT > > I'd be inclined to see if there was any way that you could be allowed > > to use > > a flash - I suspect it'll make a big difference. > > It will, as others indicated, make the shot look considerably less like > we expect a concert shot to look. It's not ideal - but some of my experiences have been a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" - often one just can't get the shutter speeds high enough without it - so you end up with 99% of the shots being blurry.
> Also, as a professional musician, I > can say that flash from any distance close to enough to actually be > effective can be extremely distracting. Yes, you can always ask, but > often musicians won't have the guts to say no, even though they really > mind. Something to take into consideration for sure, but then again there are many performers who are quite used to it. My experience is that (the ones I'm photographing) invariably have managers who aren't affraid in the slightest to say no.
David Dyer-Bennet - 24 Mar 2006 06:49 GMT > I'd like some input regarding shooting at concerts. I'm using the EF-S > 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM for most of the shots and also have a EF 70-300mm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > else is dark. Could someone suggest a camera setting that would be a good > place to start? My immediate guess is that those lenses are too slow to work well for this application. Yes, I see the "IS". I'm sure IS is great -- but my experience with this kind of club shoot is that the *subject motion* is the limiting factor, and IS doesn't help a bit with that.
My secondary suggestion is -- instead of looking for "settings" advice from people who've never been in the club in question and haven't seen the lighting, *use the power of digital*. Take a few sample pictures and look at them *closely*. Zoom in. Check sharpness and detail on the face. Check the exposure histogram, see what's being cut off. Then adjust from there.
Good luck!
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Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner - 24 Mar 2006 17:54 GMT > I'd like some input regarding shooting at concerts. IANApro, but I've taken a few pictures at concerts, some of which have come out pretty decently. I think everything that's already been said is pretty sensible. I'd just like to add:
- You may not be able to get technically great photographs (high ISO, performer moving, weird lighting). So don't fight it, use it! Use the weird colors, let the performer blur a little, make it atmospheric. One of my concert photos I like, of a drummer, is not very good - the drummer is overexposed and everything else is dark, he's motion-blurred and the focus isn't great anyway - but I like it because it captures the energy and motion of the moment, conveying the drummer's movement and emphasizing his isolation and complete absorption in what he's doing. Another one shows one performer silhouetted against another: the non-silhouetted one is a little too orangy-red and the background a little too blue, but if I "correct" the picture to bring out the foreground performer and make the colors more accurate, it loses all its drama.
-Be aware that the lights may be at bad angles, shining right into your camera, so take this into account when thinking about exposure.
-If you're not doing it already, shoot in raw format to maximize your ability to correct things like white balance.
-Try to explore beforehand to see where you can go, what kind of angles you can get, and what blocking issues there will be. Consider what the background of your shots is going to be. I have one that's pretty good, with the performers in the bright yellowish stage lights and the audience in the background in blue shadow - except for one annoying guy standing forward far enough to be in the same lighting as the stage!
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