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Strange Dots -- Help?

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cjcampbell - 22 Mar 2006 03:22 GMT
These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:

http://homepage.mac.com/christopherjcampbell/Problem%20Photos/

The first was at f/6 and 1/6 second; the second at f/22 at 5 seconds.
Both photos were taken with a tripod and no adjustment has been made
for color balance, sharpening, or anything else. They are just JPGs
taken straight from the raw files. The lens is the 12-24mm AF-S Nikkor.
The scene is a night photo of Heritage Street in Vigan City in the
Philippines.

I can understand how stopping down might cause the star filter effect
seen in the second photo, but where did the strange dots come from?
David J Taylor - 22 Mar 2006 09:30 GMT
> These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:
>
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> I can understand how stopping down might cause the star filter effect
> seen in the second photo, but where did the strange dots come from?

A longer exposure increases the visibility of partially defective pixels.
Repeat the shot with "dark frame subtraction" enabled (or whatever its
called on your camera).

David
cjcampbell - 22 Mar 2006 09:38 GMT
> > These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:
> >
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> Repeat the shot with "dark frame subtraction" enabled (or whatever its
> called on your camera).

Awfully big pixels! Actually, both shots were taken with Nikon's NR set
the same; in this case, it was on. A few shots later I turned it off,
but there was no change.
David J Taylor - 22 Mar 2006 09:59 GMT
>>> These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:
>>>
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> set the same; in this case, it was on. A few shots later I turned it
> off, but there was no change.

Oh, I thought you meant the single pixel on the right-hand side.

The dots round the lamp look like rain or moisture somewhere.  Filter on
the lens?

David
cjcampbell - 22 Mar 2006 10:01 GMT
> >>> These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:
> >>>
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> The dots round the lamp look like rain or moisture somewhere.  Filter on
> the lens?

ACK! What pixel?

No, no filter.
David J Taylor - 22 Mar 2006 11:25 GMT
>>>>> These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:
>>>>>
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>
> No, no filter.

OK, so on the front element, then.

David
cjcampbell - 22 Mar 2006 10:07 GMT
> Oh, I thought you meant the single pixel on the right-hand side.

Taking a look at that pixel, it is the only frame of several dozen that
shows it. The raw file shows it more clearly and it is still too large
to be a pixel. What it looks like to me is a small light leak through
the metal doors of the closed shop. Actually, if the shop had still
been open, I would have thought it an LED on the ceiling.
David J Taylor - 22 Mar 2006 11:25 GMT
>> Oh, I thought you meant the single pixel on the right-hand side.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> through the metal doors of the closed shop. Actually, if the shop had
> still been open, I would have thought it an LED on the ceiling.

OK, the images are so small it's difficult to tell (about the single
pixel).

David
Måns Rullgård - 22 Mar 2006 20:56 GMT
>> Oh, I thought you meant the single pixel on the right-hand side.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the metal doors of the closed shop. Actually, if the shop had still
> been open, I would have thought it an LED on the ceiling.

The images do not have exactly the same view, the second being
slightly wider.  The bright dot on the second image is just visible at
the edge of the first.

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Crazy1 - 22 Mar 2006 12:42 GMT
Hi Christopher,

It seems dustparticles on the chip to me.
The way to check this is to take a shot of the bright blue sky (or white
paper) with f=22.

If than you see these spots than you have dust on the chip and need to clean
it.

Regards,
Harry

> These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I can understand how stopping down might cause the star filter effect
> seen in the second photo, but where did the strange dots come from?
cjcampbell - 23 Mar 2006 01:17 GMT
> Hi Christopher,
>
> It seems dustparticles on the chip to me.
> The way to check this is to take a shot of the bright blue sky (or white
> paper) with f=22.

Not dust. Already tried that.
Paul Furman - 23 Mar 2006 07:42 GMT
>>Hi Christopher,
>>
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>
> Not dust. Already tried that.

Are you sure? I vote for sensor dust. (or gnats)
Mike - 23 Mar 2006 02:47 GMT
> These two photos were taken just a few seconds apart:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I can understand how stopping down might cause the star filter effect
> seen in the second photo, but where did the strange dots come from?

Maybe a cloud of out of focus gnats attracted to the light?
 
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