Just a note to my fellow photographers. If you're ever taking a
photograph of a helicopter and it comes so close you could almost touch
it, cover up the camera and run! Don't do what I did yesterday and, like
a total idiot, keep snapping the damn thing as it gets lower and lower,
and drifts nearer and nearer to the car park. What was the reason I
didn't even consider the down-wash until the thing was right over my
head? It wasn't fun being directly beneath some large rotors that were
that close. Luckily my lovely D70s didn't get injured, it was only my
pride as I tried to shield myself, probably looking pretty stupid.
Anyway, does anyone know of a technique to calculate how far the subject
is away? I'd like to do this because I don't believe the helicopter
should have been that low over a car park. I had my 300mm zoom set to
maximum (don't ask why I did when the thing was so close - I think I was
just panicking a bit so wasn't thinking straight! I have a nice shot of
the rear seat passenger with his mouth open as if to say, "Oh my God
there's someone there, get out the way!"). I guess maybe if I knew the
size of the helicopter (I could guesstimate that) then I could look at
the part of the helicopter in the frame, then aim the camera at
something the same size on full zoom at a similar angle from me, then
measure it's distance away? Is there a more scientific approach? I guess
I could Google this one but I kinda wanted to mention what happened to
you all so you can have a good laugh at my stupidity. :)
Geoff.
Alan Browne - 05 Mar 2006 15:03 GMT
> Just a note to my fellow photographers. If you're ever taking a
> photograph of a helicopter and it comes so close you could almost
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> wanted to mention what happened to you all so you can have a good
> laugh at my stupidity. :)
Get your head out of the viewfinder. Helicopters can be very dangerous
to people on the ground, and getting grit blown at you is only part of it.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=230415
Cheers,
Alan.

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Geoff - 05 Mar 2006 15:19 GMT
> Get your head out of the viewfinder. Helicopters can be very dangerous
> to people on the ground, and getting grit blown at you is only part of it.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=230415
Nice photos Alan, particularly the red helicopter. I would never have
stood under the helicopter intentionally but it did fairly quickly drift
over towards me. Once I've got my nerve up to go back, I certainly won't
be parking in that spot again. :)
Geoff.
John A. Stovall - 05 Mar 2006 15:31 GMT
>Get your head out of the viewfinder. Helicopters can be very dangerous
>to people on the ground, and getting grit blown at you is only part of it.
Particularly when they open up with the 20mm chain gun or shoot off a
couple of Hellfires.
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Bart van der Wolf - 05 Mar 2006 16:05 GMT
SNIP
> I guess maybe if I knew the size of the helicopter (I could
> guesstimate that) then I could look at the part of the helicopter in
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> but I kinda wanted to mention what happened to you all so you can
> have a good laugh at my stupidity. :)
It's not too hard to calculate. All you need is a known size of an
object and the size of its image projected on the sensor (no.of pixels
times sensel pitch). Multiply the Object/Image ratio (is the
reciprocal of the magnification factor) with the focal length, and
that's the distance. Assuming you don't need accuracy down to the
inch, but rather to plus or minus a foot, you'll be close enough.
Bart
Jeremy Nixon - 05 Mar 2006 22:06 GMT
> I guess maybe if I knew the size of the helicopter (I could guesstimate
> that) then I could look at the part of the helicopter in the frame, then
> aim the camera at something the same size on full zoom at a similar angle
> from me, then measure it's distance away? Is there a more scientific
> approach?
When trying to think of ways to answer the question "How far away from me
is that helicopter?" is this really the first thing that comes to mind?
Can you really not just look at the thing and know how far away it is?
I guess I'm just a little confused as to how this could be difficult.

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Geoff - 05 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT
>> I guess maybe if I knew the size of the helicopter (I could guesstimate
>> that) then I could look at the part of the helicopter in the frame, then
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> Can you really not just look at the thing and know how far away it is?
> I guess I'm just a little confused as to how this could be difficult.
When there is a noisy helicopter right above your head, with incredible
wind being generated by the rotors which is about to hit you, it's not
too easy to think about how far away it is. It just happened once and
caught me off-guard and scared the cr*p out of me, and at the time the
last thought I had was how far away it was. I just knew it was damn
close. lol.
bob crownfield - 06 Mar 2006 02:28 GMT
>> I guess maybe if I knew the size of the helicopter (I could guesstimate
>> that) then I could look at the part of the helicopter in the frame, then
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> Can you really not just look at the thing and know how far away it is?
> I guess I'm just a little confused as to how this could be difficult.
i hope he does not drive a car...
Geoff - 06 Mar 2006 15:03 GMT
>>> I guess maybe if I knew the size of the helicopter (I could guesstimate
>>> that) then I could look at the part of the helicopter in the frame, then
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>
> i hope he does not drive a car...
Hmmm....He does drive a car. See my previous post.
wilt - 06 Mar 2006 18:25 GMT
Now I understand the fools who must drive at 70-80 mph only one car
length behind a car (or worse, semi tractor-trailer) on the highway!
They are not fools, they must be depth perception challenged!
JPS@no.komm - 06 Mar 2006 21:59 GMT
>Now I understand the fools who must drive at 70-80 mph only one car
>length behind a car (or worse, semi tractor-trailer) on the highway!
>They are not fools, they must be depth perception challenged!
Well, they did it once before, and nothing happened, so obviously it is
not dangerous!

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bob crownfield - 06 Mar 2006 21:58 GMT
>>>> I guess maybe if I knew the size of the helicopter (I could guesstimate
>>>> that) then I could look at the part of the helicopter in the frame,
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> Hmmm....He does drive a car. See my previous post.
has someone taught him to tell how far away the other cars are?