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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / March 2006Digital light and color
I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for all kinds of color printing with circles and arrows and paragraphs on the backs when I see the products at digital light and color. Namely, Profile mechanic scanner and monitor. Does anybody have anything to say about these products? Anecdotal or otherwise? Steve > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for > all kinds of color printing with circles and arrows and paragraphs on the > backs when I see the products at digital light and color. Namely, Profile > mechanic scanner and monitor. Does anybody have anything to say about these > products? Anecdotal or otherwise? 2 questions ... 1. Do you own a copy of "Real World Color Management" 2nd Ed by Fraser, Murphy, and Bunting. 2. If not, why not? > > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 1. Do you own a copy of "Real World Color Management" 2nd Ed by Fraser, > Murphy, and Bunting. No > 2. If not, why not? Never heard of it. >> > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and >> > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Never heard of it. Then, you don't have the background for what you are thinking about doing. http://www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor/ Go see what you are missing... ********************************************************** "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the color of blood in black and white" David Douglas Duncan Speaking on why in Vietnam he worked only in black and white http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ Steve, My suggestion would be to lay the foundations before erecting the building. Buy the book. Cheers, It don't work that way. A calibrated monitor, Photoshop and a little knowledge are all it takes. > It don't work that way. > A calibrated monitor, Photoshop and a little knowledge are all it takes. How do I calibrate my monitor? I have PS7 Knowledge of what? Thanks, Steve >> It don't work that way. >> A calibrated monitor, Photoshop and a little knowledge are all it takes. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Knowledge of what? http://www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor/ ********************************************************** "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the color of blood in black and white" David Douglas Duncan Speaking on why in Vietnam he worked only in black and white http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ >It don't work that way. >A calibrated monitor, Photoshop and a little knowledge are all it takes. You also have to have the correct ICC profiles for your printer, paper and ink set and the knowledge to set up Photoshop. ********************************************************** "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the color of blood in black and white" David Douglas Duncan Speaking on why in Vietnam he worked only in black and white http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ > >It don't work that way. > >A calibrated monitor, Photoshop and a little knowledge are all it takes. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > he worked only in black and white > http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ And http://www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor/ will cover the printer profiles, how to set up PS, and calibrate my monitor, color lookup tables, and scanner target profiles? Steve > And http://www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor/ will cover the printer > profiles, how to set up PS, and calibrate my monitor, color lookup tables, > and scanner target profiles? And metamerism and color events and profile connection spaces and tri-chromacy and tri-stimulus and ... ... a whole lot more (and that's just the first few chapters!) > > And http://www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor/ will cover the printer > > profiles, how to set up PS, and calibrate my monitor, color lookup tables, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ... a whole lot more (and that's just the first few chapters!) Sounds like fun! Sounds like I'll never get any work done around the house...bummer. > Sounds like fun! Sounds like I'll never get any work done around the > house...bummer. "Fun" is one word for it! To be honest, I found some parts of the book a hard slog, and other parts easy going. If you do take the time to work through it though (probably 2 or 3 times) and at the same time taking the time to put the theory into practice by playing (oops, I mean experimenting) then you'll lay a VERY solid colour management and digital printing foundation. I think color management is one of those areas where you may get by if you try to take shortcuts - but you'll feel so much more confident (not to mention get better results in less time) if you put the hard work in first.Grab the book - work through it - and I'll guarantee you'll be answering colour management questions here within a month or two. Cheers, Colin > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected > for all kinds of color printing with circles and arrows and paragraphs > on the backs when I see the products at digital light and color. > Namely, Profile mechanic scanner and monitor. Does anybody have > anything to say about these products? Anecdotal or otherwise? You ~sure~ you don't want a pickle...? > > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You ~sure~ you don't want a pickle...? LOL! And I don't wanna die... > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve I've used them and found them both easy to use and technically very good. The firm has a record of developing products for photographers based upon their knowledge of physics. > > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The firm has a record of developing products for photographers based upon > their knowledge of physics. The price looked right. Gretag Macbeth is out of my league. Thanks, Steve Have a look at this Steve, dont know if it will help http://www.pantone.co.uk/ProductDetails02.asp?l=xt&p=ni&ca=2&co=4&pr=108 Saw it recently at Focus on Imaging at the NEC and was impressed >> > I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and >> > printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Steve >> I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and >>printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The firm has a record of developing products for photographers based upon > their knowledge of physics. I didn't see a printer calibration setup there. http://www.dl-c.com It looks like the software is $89 & that shouldn't really be necessary since all that is built into photoshop... or whatever monitor profiling spider device. $179 for the software plus spider. more for scanner & camera stuff but no printer stuff. >>> I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and >>>printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >spider device. $179 for the software plus spider. more for scanner & >camera stuff but no printer stuff. For most professional quality printers, you can get the ICC profiles required from the printer or paper manufacturer If not it's cheaper and less of a bother to have a place like Dry Creek which specializes in printer profiles make one up for the paper, printer and ink set you plan to use. ********************************************************** "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the color of blood in black and white" David Douglas Duncan Speaking on why in Vietnam he worked only in black and white http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ > >>> I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > >>>printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > he worked only in black and white > http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ I was going to use http://cathysprofiles.com/ for the printer stuff. snipped > I was going to use http://cathysprofiles.com/ for the printer stuff. You only need custom profiles if you are using a paper that the manufacture of your paper doesn't have a profile or a special ink set. What kind of printer do you plan to use? Do you know if it is one which is supported with ICC profiles? The Epson R800 and R1800 are about the best low cost printers out there which can delivery professional quality work. ********************************************************** "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the color of blood in black and white" David Douglas Duncan Speaking on why in Vietnam he worked only in black and white http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ > snipped > > I was going to use http://cathysprofiles.com/ for the printer stuff. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > he worked only in black and white > http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ I have an Epson stylus photo 925. I'll have to find out about if it knows what an ICC profile is. I didn't know that the paper was what the profile was for. I thought the profile just made sure the printer output matched my monitor's colors...somehow. I have to say thank you all for the help. Everybody I know that I have asked just wave their arms and really don't know what they're talking about. Steve snipped > I have an Epson stylus photo 925. I'll have to find out about if it >knows what an ICC profile is. I didn't know that the paper was what the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have to say thank you all for the help. Everybody I know that I have >asked just wave their arms and really don't know what they're talking about. Doesn't look like Epson has profiles for it. http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/Search.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&technical=techn ical&query=profiles&Category=Products Go take a look at some of Epson's documentation on ICC Profiles and you'll get an idea of what they are about and how they are for different papers. Here's Dry Creek's site with lots of good information on color management. Check out the links on the right. http://www.drycreekphoto.com/index.html ********************************************************** "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the color of blood in black and white" David Douglas Duncan Speaking on why in Vietnam he worked only in black and white http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ > >> I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and > >>printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > spider device. $179 for the software plus spider. more for scanner & > camera stuff but no printer stuff. What stuff is built into Photoshop? >> >> I'm looking at getting all peripherals(DSLR, monitor, scanner, and >> >>printer) calibrated, color managed, syncopated, inspected and detected [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >What stuff is built into Photoshop? Photoshop has the hooks to let you use the monitor profile file with it. The Spyder has it's own software for the actual calibration and profile generation. The Spyder is the cheapest monitor profiler out there and does a very good job. Monaco is other good one. I have both. ********************************************************** "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the color of blood in black and white" David Douglas Duncan Speaking on why in Vietnam he worked only in black and white http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/ |
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