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Martin Francis - 02 Mar 2006 23:26 GMT
Anyone running with both Nikon and Canon DSLR systems?

I've somehow ended up buying a D2Hs and 1Ds within the space of a couple of
weeks and having a hard time letting go of one.

Martin
All Things Mopar - 03 Mar 2006 04:17 GMT
Today Martin Francis commented courteously on the subject at
hand

> Anyone running with both Nikon and Canon DSLR systems?
>
> I've somehow ended up buying a D2Hs and 1Ds within the
> space of a couple of weeks and having a hard time letting
> go of one.

"a fool and his spare money are soon parted". <grin>

"only YOU can prevent forest fires" - meaning, only /you/ can
decide which you want to keep, if either.

What criteria are you using for the comparo? What are your
needs, wants, and expectations?

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Martin Francis - 03 Mar 2006 10:44 GMT
> Today Martin Francis commented courteously on the subject at
> hand
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> What criteria are you using for the comparo? What are your
> needs, wants, and expectations?

I'm not particularly looking for advice on which to drop- i'm awfully
tempted to run with both systems, actually. I just thought i'd ask who was
running with two different systems, if they had anything they'd like to
share.

Martin
All Things Mopar - 03 Mar 2006 13:02 GMT
Today Martin Francis commented courteously on the subject at
hand

>> Today Martin Francis commented courteously on the subject
>> at hand
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> just thought i'd ask who was running with two different
> systems, if they had anything they'd like to share.

Well, Martin, unless you want to invoke another battle in the
perennial Nikon vs. Canon religious wars, you're still gonna
have to come up with at least /some/ objective criteria for
people to comment on, such as price, size/weight, features,
lens quality, image quality, noise at high ISO, convenience,
intuitiveness of the controls ergonomics, battery life,
something.

I have a Canon Rebel XL but am not going to comment to someone
who sounds suspiciously like a camara wars troll or maybe a
college student with an assignment to get two groups of people
arguing with themselves without knowing why.

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Matt Clara - 04 Mar 2006 12:50 GMT
> Today Martin Francis commented courteously on the subject at
> hand
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> college student with an assignment to get two groups of people
> arguing with themselves without knowing why.

You obviously don't know Martin very well.

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sbrodka@bigpond.net.au - 04 Mar 2006 07:03 GMT
> > Today Martin Francis commented courteously on the subject at
> > hand
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>
> Martin

Martin,

I currently use both systems: Canon for the past 20 years (now EOS 1D,
EOS 5 + 550 EX and a couple of L lenses) and only recently D70 + some
lenses (including a 15 year old 75-300).
I bought D70 to learn more about a complete system, which interests me
because of a colour produced by Nikkor lenses and the quality of flash
photography. After few weeks, I will make a decision, which way to go.
Models mentioned in your original post are from two different
"planets"... As already commented by others - give us your objective,
or at least share some thoughts, so people can respond in a beneficial
way.
Steven
Nigel Cummings - 03 Mar 2006 16:00 GMT
Must have more money than sense - why buy cameras with incompatible lens
mounts?

> Anyone running with both Nikon and Canon DSLR systems?
>
> I've somehow ended up buying a D2Hs and 1Ds within the space of a couple
> of weeks and having a hard time letting go of one.
>
> Martin
Tony Polson - 03 Mar 2006 17:12 GMT
>Must have more money than sense - why buy cameras with incompatible lens
>mounts?

You can buy an adaptor to use Nikon lenses on a Canon EF body, so the
two systems are not incompatible.  There is a benefit in doing this,
in that you can use 'full frame' Nikkors on a full frame camera body.

Matt Clara - 04 Mar 2006 05:07 GMT
WTF happend to th e D200?

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> Anyone running with both Nikon and Canon DSLR systems?
>
> I've somehow ended up buying a D2Hs and 1Ds within the space of a couple
> of weeks and having a hard time letting go of one.
>
> Martin
Martin Francis - 04 Mar 2006 23:12 GMT
> WTF happend to th e D200?

Haha, well I decided to wait out the banding thing and, by chance, I
acquired a mint D2Hs for £700 ($1100), approx. 1/3rd list price and figured,
what the hell, i'd profit even if I didn't like it.

Sadly I love the ergonomics, but after tonight the FF 11mp Canon has me
convinced that image quality outweighs camera quality for me.

Martin
Paul Furman - 05 Mar 2006 02:47 GMT
>>WTF happend to th e D200?
>
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> Sadly I love the ergonomics, but after tonight the FF 11mp Canon has me
> convinced that image quality outweighs camera quality for me.

http://www.samys.com/product.php?ItemNo=NIKO25219
Nikon D2HS 4.1MP Digital SLR Camera Body Only
Our Price:    
$ 3499.95
w.beckley@gmail.com - 04 Mar 2006 11:05 GMT
Boy, if you had a D2X *OR* a 1DS MkII, this might be easy. As it
stands, I think both cameras have their flaws, given what they are.

You want my gut opinion? Here it goes...

I recently switched from a Nikon D70 to a Canon 20d. The reasons are
the following:

1. Canon seems more commited to "full frame" sensors ( the 1.3x crop
factor on your 1Ds vs your 1.5 on the Nikon must give you some kind of
sense of this). I switched to digital reluctantly, with format size
being my main gripe.

2. Canon seems more comitted to fast lenses. This is a generalization,
largely targeted at the user that can afford "L" glass. Look, I cut my
teeth, compositionally and otherwise, on Carl Zeiss superspeeds for
cinematography. I'm used to shooting at 1.3 most of the time. So when I
started shooting stills, I felt like anything slower than 1.4 was a
waste of my time. Irrational? Yes. But given my photographic
(cinematographic, really) training, this is somewhat excusable. Still,
Canon offers a 1.4 24mm. Canon offers a 1.4 35mm. Nikon's best
offerings in these lengths match Canon's second best (at least in
modern, autofocus lenses). I like fast lenses, so this is important to
me in ways that it might not be for you. Of interest as well is that
much of my photography is based around available light situations with
friends of mine at gatherings that are indoors at night. Fast apertures
help me out alot. Do they for you?

3. I hated Nikon's noise at 800 ISO. I find Canon's to be workable.
This is also important to me, so it made a difference. You might be
different.

At any rate, I think keeping both is ludicrous. Pick the one that works
for you. If you shoot mostly telephoto, the Nikon crop factor helps you
out and it might be a better option. Even if that isn't the case, you
may find a compelling reason for *you* to keep the Nikon system. I'll
be the last person to play brand troll and tell you that Nikon gear
isn't worth hanging onto. But I switched to Canon gear and have since
bought four lenses in the EF system. I defy any Nikon acolyte to tell
me that I made the wrong choice *for my photography*. But my best
friend shoots Nikon and it makes sense for him. Which system makes
sense for you? The points I've made in Canon's favor can be easily
turned around if you shoot drastically differently from my style. I dig
that, and you should too, if you wish to keepp your Nikon gear. If you
wish to keep your Canon gear, just be sure it is because Canon offers
you something better suited to your style. The digital age has finally
given us a very palpabile difference between the two systems and where
they wish to go in the future. Make your choice based on you and be
happy... both can give you amazing results as long as they suit your
needs.

Will
Alan Browne - 04 Mar 2006 21:28 GMT
> Anyone running with both Nikon and Canon DSLR systems?
>
> I've somehow ended up buying a D2Hs and 1Ds within the space of a couple of
> weeks and having a hard time letting go of one.

Go Canon.

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Martin Francis - 04 Mar 2006 23:27 GMT
> Anyone running with both Nikon and Canon DSLR systems?
>
> I've somehow ended up buying a D2Hs and 1Ds within the space of a couple
> of weeks and having a hard time letting go of one.
>
> Martin

Okay, a follow-up;

The D2Hs as i've mentioned was acquired almost by chance. I'd not really
considered it as a viable alternative to the D200 as I was convinced 4mp
wasn't enough. My brief ownership of the D2Hs has convinced me of two
things- one, that a 4mp DSLR like the D2Hs is capable of the most stunning
images, and two- that I was right, for me 4mp is NOT enough. My D2Hs is for
sale... as for the moment is my Hasselblad, as it's a luxury I can ill
afford now.

The 1Ds has been the model i've had my eye on since it's release. Compared
to the Nikon it has so many failings- slow review times, less-that-perfect
AF, slightly awkward ergonomics, horrible NiMH battery and therefore
incredible weight. But it has the most fantastic image quality... and the
build quality and feel is "right". The lenses might not feel as good as
Nikon's, and the Nikon 85/1.4 is the perfect compromise between the models
Canon offer, but then again the Canon 50/1.4 is the most superb optic and
i've high hopes for the 35mm L. My Nikon adapter and microprism screen for
my 85/1.4 are in the post :D The worst thing is, I might need a spare body
:O

*sigh* why can't one manufacturer do it all?

Martin
 
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