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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / March 2006Oh no! It doesn't look like an SLR!!!!!
Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats too bad. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp#images "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1141013128.514760.40220 @i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats > too bad. Reminds me of a rangefinder. WTF you're babbling about this time I've got no idea. Actually it does but it will not be good enough, it will be noisy like other live preview cmeras. > Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats > too bad. > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp#images > Actually it does but it will not be good enough, it will be noisy like other > live preview cmeras. hopefuly only at 400 ISO or higher. It's such a nice baby, anyway ... ;) B. Noise is a major consideration, but its hardly the only consideration given it doesn't matter until the ISOs climb, then you have other issues to deal with as well like compressed dynamic range and compressed colour ranges. People should try to shoot at as low an ISO as possible with any camera, although some overestimate the speed they might need and go too high on purpose. In any case, my comment in the subject line had to do with the reception that greeted the Olympus E-300 DSLR by some who just couldn't get away from the fact that DSLRs do not have to look like classic SLRs. I know that the average person is terrified of change, especially the older they get, but there is huge room for modification of DSLR body designs. -Rich > Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats > too bad. > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp#images What is your point, if any? : Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats : too bad. : : http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp#images Beautiful, isn't it? From my experiences with The FZ 20 and FZ30, along with the Fantastic E300s we used during the Santa shoots I predict this camera will be the start of real competition in consumer or "prosumer' DSLRs. The Panasonics out performs many Canon DSLRs in some important areas as they are now. Couple this with the way Olympus porri finder SLR system works and the Leica lens... A near perfect combination. Panasonic are the developers of many television video camera sensors which led to the fall of Sony as the top dog in that area. Their Nmos sensor is yet to be judged but all it needs to do is a little better on highlights than the CCD in the FZs to really make a dent in Canon's market share. And what about the lens? This has got to be the lens by which all others will be judged by. > : Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats > : too bad. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > make a dent in Canon's market share. And what about the lens? This has got > to be the lens by which all others will be judged by. Douglas, stop now before you go blind! >> : Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats >> : too bad. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Douglas, stop now before you go blind! and thus you win "The Laugh of the Day Award" !! > Beautiful, isn't it? > From my experiences with The FZ 20 and FZ30, along with the Fantastic > E300s > we used during the Santa shoots I predict this camera will be the start of Santa shoots? Right, as I thought from the rest of your contribution, you're in a dream world. >> From my experiences with The FZ 20 and FZ30, along with the Fantastic >> E300s we used during the Santa shoots I predict this camera will be the > > Santa shoots? > Right, as I thought from the rest of your contribution, you're in a dream > world. Douglas takes pictures of kids with the mall Santa, and then wonders why we don't all bow to his photographic expertise as a "pro". He serves as a good reminder of just what "pro" means in photography.  SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com : >> From my experiences with The FZ 20 and FZ30, along with the Fantastic : >> E300s we used during the Santa shoots I predict this camera will be the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : don't all bow to his photographic expertise as a "pro". He serves as a good : reminder of just what "pro" means in photography. That's very interesting Jeremy. Practicing medium too, are you? And I though the head wrap was to stop people leaching your ideas. I actually own a company which employs photographers to take pictures of babies (at baby shows) and children on Santa's knees. My photographers also shoot formals and do school photos as well as run around some restaurants photographing couples enjoying themselves. I don't actually do any of these things myself, just supervise them. You're right, this is Professional Photography. The part you seem to miss out on is it is only Professional photography because it is a profit making business. Where ever you got the notion anything Professional was anything else, you need to look again. Interestingly enough I won't employ pedantic "experts" like you because they won't follow instructions and can't resist doing it their way and costing me money. I prefer people with no experience and train them myself. This way I don't have to put up with idiots thinking they are "experts" telling me how to run my business and then stuffing it up because they think they know everything. Sound familiar Jeremy? You constantly serve as a reminder of what an "Expert" actually is. And... If it is of any consequence... The E300 Olympus cameras I used last year, all shot between 200 and 600 frames a day without any out of focus shots. Without frying their internals and all my shooters had to say was "praise God you got rid of these Canon's you had last year". I also run some FZ20s and a lone FZ30 tethered to a PC for school shoots. 860 images a day, one of them averaged for 3 days. All perfectly white balanced, all perfectly focused and the cameras never missed a beat. Why would I not praise Panasonic for producing a perfect combination from the two cameras I've had the most reliability from? Get a life Jeremy, you are behaving like a troll. > That's very interesting Jeremy. Practicing medium too, are you? And I though > the head wrap was to stop people leaching your ideas. No, that's what the aluminum foil hat is for. > You're right, this is Professional Photography. The part you seem to miss > out on is it is only Professional photography because it is a profit making > business. Where ever you got the notion anything Professional was anything > else, you need to look again. No, I understand that. See, I don't jab at you because you're a "professional"; it's a perfectly honest living. I jab at you because of the woefully incorrect information you constantly spew into this group, along with the attitude that you know better than everyone else due to your vast experience. > Interestingly enough I won't employ pedantic "experts" like you because they > won't follow instructions and can't resist doing it their way and costing me [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > everything. Sound familiar Jeremy? You constantly serve as a reminder of > what an "Expert" actually is. Well, right. I'm not a professional photographer by choice. I don't want that job. It's not photography, it's work, and there are better ways to make a living. There's nothing wrong with it, for sure, but my point is that it clearly doesn't mean you know about photography, but you constantly seem to think otherwise. I have no doubt that, if I wanted to know how to run a business, especially one of the kind you run, that you know more about it than I do. I'm just not the entrepreneurial type, which I accepted long ago. But this isn't a newsgroup about running a business, it's about photography. I don't *care* what works for a business, and your arrogance and condescending attitude get on my nerves. > Get a life Jeremy, you are behaving like a troll. Yes, I am. Apologies to everyone but Douglas. Sometimes you're just hard to resist. :) SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com On topic bit. My prediction - this is a ground-breaking camera, but it isn't the one that will drag 4/3 out of the semi-limbo it is in... The next round of cameras, I hope, will be nearing the low-noise threshhold that many of us are waiting patiently for - maybe the rumoured E3? But the moment that would *really* make me jump is when they incorporate IS *in the camera*, along with the the sensor cleaning. So I confess to extreme disappointment when the Panasonic didn't have IS built-in. Maybe they can't get that combo (live-preview/ultrasonic cleaning/in-camera IS) to work for some reason. But if they *do*, and also get a little better noise performance at high ISO's...You won't see me for dust (pun intended) as I make the jump. Off topic: >I jab at you because of the woefully incorrect information >you constantly spew into this group, along with the attitude >that you know better than everyone else due to your vast experience. >.... >.. Apologies to everyone but Douglas. >Sometimes you're just hard to resist. :) How true... Examples of douglas' superior style may be found here: http://www.photosbydouglas.com When anyone considers how seriously to take Douglas 'advice', think about the fact that those images are presumably the *better* ones.... My personal favorite is this one: http://www.photosbydouglas.com/kissonpier.htm I believe it is called "One Legged Groom with Highlighted Forehead in Awkward Pose with Awkward Kiss with Awkwardly Leaning Bride with Awkwardly Draped Veil...", alternative title - "The Light Poles are in Focus, so Why Not Look at Those.." I invite my photography students to look at this image, to help them learn about composition and posing errors. Leave that one up, would you, Douglas? - it's the only image I need for that entire topic.... :o) >>> From my experiences with The FZ 20 and FZ30, along with the Fantastic >>> E300s we used during the Santa shoots I predict this camera will be the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > don't all bow to his photographic expertise as a "pro". He serves as a good > reminder of just what "pro" means in photography. I'd bet that your name and the word "asswipe" are often used in the same sentence. > Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats > too bad. > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp#images No, it looks a bit like a Leica M-series. Strange coincidence, eh? The referenced article doesn't actually seem to mention whether the lens is interchangeable, which seems like a pretty big oversight! SignatureDavid Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/> RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com/> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/> Pics: <http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/> <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/> >> Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but >> thats too bad. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The referenced article doesn't actually seem to mention whether the > lens is interchangeable, which seems like a pretty big oversight! Second text paragraph reads: "Having announced our entry to the digital SLR market in 2005, Panasonic is pleased to update you on the development of the state-of-the-art Lumix DMC-L1 - our first interchangeable-lens digital SLR camera, distinguished from conventional digital SLRs by combining the operating feel of an analogue camera with innovative features unique to digital cameras." Does the camera use a mirror for reflex, or is the reflex electronic? David [] >>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp [] > Does the camera use a mirror for reflex, or is the reflex electronic? > > David It's like the Olympus E-330 with a sideways mirror, isn't it? "David J Taylor" <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk> wrote: >>> Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but >>> thats too bad. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Does the camera use a mirror for reflex, or is the reflex electronic? It uses the mirror from the Olympus E-330. In fact, it is almost entirely identical to an Olympus E-330, but clothed in a differently shaped body. The image processing algorithms are the only substantial difference. It will be interesting to see if the Panasonic firmware will correct any rectilinear distortion from the lens in use, as happens with the Olympus E-1. The sensor is identical to that in the E330. The sensor is a Panasonic design, but the manufacture is contracted out. The OIS feature of the Leica lens will work on Olympus 4/3 SLRs, but only in Mode 1, always on. > Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats > too bad. > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp#images At least it isn't as ugly as the Olys. Greg >> Time marches on. Things evolve. Some people don't like it, but thats >> too bad. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Greg You only think the Olys are ugly because you aren't used to the non-SLR shapes. The Panasonic looks like a rangefinder so it doesn't offend your sensibilities. I think the Rebel XT in silver is one of the crappiest looking DSLRs out there, even though it does look like an old SLR. -Rich |
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