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Dave - 24 Feb 2006 22:35 GMT
Hi,

I still learning about making adjustments to my digital images. I just got
Photoshop CS but have been using Microsoft's Digital Image Suite 2006 for
now.

Since I'm still a newbie, I'm using large .jpg images to do adjustments to.
I understand about pixels and compression (.jpg). I can do RAW, but I'm
taking baby steps in .jpg first until I know what I'm doing.

Sometimes I may need to crop or straighten an image. And sometimes I use
Color Auto Fix, Exposure Auto Fix, and/or Contrast Auto Fix. Besides these
auto fixes, there are manual adjustments in the tool menus too.

Is there a particular order I should use as to which adjustment should be
made first, second, third, etc.?
Charles Gillen - 25 Feb 2006 02:00 GMT
> Is there a particular order I should use as to which adjustment should
> be made first, second, third, etc.?

Always make adjustments to a COPY of the original image, so as not to ruin
it.  Straighten and crop first, other adjustments next, and unsharp mask
last.  Do NOT limit yourself to the auto adjustments... far better to learn
how to use the non-auto adjustments first: gamma, contrast, brightness,
saturation, etc.  If the final version needs to be downsized for some
particular use, follow that with another round of light unsharp masking to
restore sharpness.  Never over-sharpen... in fact often it is best to
sharpen only within a selected important area.

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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 25 Feb 2006 03:58 GMT
> Hi,
> I still learning about making adjustments to my digital images. I just got
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> Is there a particular order I should use as to which adjustment should be
> made first, second, third, etc.?

Auto modes might clip highlights and shadows, so I feel it
is best to do all operations manually.  Lean which tools are
additive but should be multiplicative (like adjust contrast)
and do not use them.  See:

 Digital Workflow
http://www.clarkvision.com/photoinfo/digitalworkflow

Roger
Norm Dresner - 25 Feb 2006 13:58 GMT
| Hi,
| I still learning about making adjustments to my digital images. I just got
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| Is there a particular order I should use as to which adjustment should be
| made first, second, third, etc.?

   Whatever you do, crop last!  Different print papers have different
format ratios and you don't want to have to create pixels to modify an 8x10
formatted image to fit a 4x6 full-frame.  Also. I try never to change the
resolution of an image until I'm ready to print it -- and I'll always keep
the original in case I want to go back and print a different (larger) size.

   Norm
David Dyer-Bennet - 25 Feb 2006 17:23 GMT
> | Hi,
> | I still learning about making adjustments to my digital images. I just got
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> resolution of an image until I'm ready to print it -- and I'll always keep
> the original in case I want to go back and print a different (larger) size.

Something to be said for cropping last, *but* depending on what's
being cropped out, it may influence the overall settings for the
picture; in which case you really need to have the cropping in mind
first.

Don't forget sharpening; that depends on print size also.
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G.T. - 25 Feb 2006 19:15 GMT
> | Hi,
> | I still learning about making adjustments to my digital images. I just got
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>
>     Whatever you do, crop last!  

Depends on which crop you're talking about.  If you're cropping to keep
2x3 aspect then still do it at the beginning.  Do all processing to get
to your finished image and then crop to whatever size you're going to
print to.

Greg

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John A. Stovall - 25 Feb 2006 14:16 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>I understand about pixels and compression (.jpg). I can do RAW, but I'm
>taking baby steps in .jpg first until I know what I'm doing.

First calibrate your monitor with a hardware calibrator.

Then  would suggest you start with RAW so you  learn the basics of it
and they you may not have to do that many adjustments in CS itself.

Get a copy of the following:

Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS (Real World) (Paperback)
by Bruce Fraser

Real World Color Management, Second Edition (Paperback)
by Bruce Fraser, Chris Murphy, Fred Bunting

Adobe Photoshop CS One-on-One (Paperback)
by Deke McClelland (Publisher)  (this is the best teach your self CS
book I've seen and it comes with a CD with the images for the
exercises)

Calibrate your monitor.  I can't say that enough.

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Rod Williams - 25 Feb 2006 19:11 GMT
> Since I'm still a newbie, I'm using large .jpg images to do adjustments to.
> I understand about pixels and compression (.jpg). I can do RAW, but I'm
> taking baby steps in .jpg first until I know what I'm doing.

Once you open a jpg save it as a psd or tiff file. Then you can work on
it and resave as often as you need to without any additional loss. Never
save a jpg as a jpg unless it it the last final step.
John A. Stovall - 25 Feb 2006 20:14 GMT
>> Since I'm still a newbie, I'm using large .jpg images to do adjustments to.
>> I understand about pixels and compression (.jpg). I can do RAW, but I'm
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>it and resave as often as you need to without any additional loss. Never
>save a jpg as a jpg unless it it the last final step.

Better he start in RAW at 16bit and save to a PSD.

It goes without saying he save the raw.  
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"A combat photographer should be able to make you see the
color of blood in black and white"

                    David Douglas Duncan
                Speaking on why in Vietnam
             he worked only in black and white
     http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/
Robert - 26 Feb 2006 05:12 GMT
>>> Since I'm still a newbie, I'm using large .jpg images to do adjustments
>>> to.
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>              he worked only in black and white
>      http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/
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Does any element of a photo change when it is copied and pasted?

Bob
Rod Williams - 27 Feb 2006 18:19 GMT
>>Once you open a jpg save it as a psd or tiff file. Then you can work on
>>it and resave as often as you need to without any additional loss. Never
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> It goes without saying he save the raw.  
> **********************************************************

No question if he is shooting RAW. Not everyone will be so the next best
thing is to save the jpg as psd or tiff. I am findig that a good way of
noise reduction is very important to processing RAW. I got the Noiseware
plugin for Photoshop and it is great. Nothing else seemed to work
satisfactorily for me. I have a Rebel XT and the in camera jpg
processing is very good. I will be shooting my son's wedding and will
shoot all RAW. Can't take a chance doing it any other way.
Paul Furman - 27 Feb 2006 18:32 GMT
>>> Once you open a jpg save it as a psd or tiff file. Then you can work
>>> on it and resave as often as you need to without any additional loss.
>>> Never save a jpg as a jpg unless it it the last final step.

You can save a jpeg as many times as you want in a single session but
only the last save matters. If your whole workflow in in PS there is no
need to save tiffs, that's only if you need to open it again in a noise
program or come back another day and change things. 16 bit is only
really helpful when doing significant contrast stretching and such.

>> Better he start in RAW at 16bit and save to a PSD.
>>
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> processing is very good. I will be shooting my son's wedding and will
> shoot all RAW. Can't take a chance doing it any other way.
zeitgeist - 26 Feb 2006 07:58 GMT
> I still learning about making adjustments to my digital images. I just got
> Photoshop CS but have been using Microsoft's Digital Image Suite 2006 for
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> Is there a particular order I should use as to which adjustment should be
> made first, second, third, etc.?

The power of photoshop is in the layers, each of these adjustments should be
done as an adjustment layer.  The difference is.  When you run an
adjustment, you rearrange the information.  look at a histogram before an
after a contrast adjustment.   Learning to make contrast adjustments is
relatively easy, look at some of the tutorials at adobe, get a book or if
you really need it demonstrated, there are a number of DVD tutorials,
software cinema and others, though these can be expensive, you might want to
join some photo clubs as many of them have libraries as well as classes.
 
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