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Minolta 7D vs. Nikon D70
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stator - 29 Jan 2005 15:27 GMT I currently have a Minolta 35mm camera with 4 AF lenses. I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the anti-shake and lens compatibility values. However, I have also been considering the Nikon D70 package that comes with 2 lenses...the price of the Nikon package and the Minolta 7D (body only) are pretty close.
Now I realise there are people out there that swear by Nikon and others by Minolta (among other brands) but for me, it's becoming a toss-up between these 2 cameras.
Any opinions to help me reach a decision would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Joe
paul - 29 Jan 2005 16:37 GMT > I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the anti-shake and > lens compatibility values. > However, I have also been considering the Nikon D70 package that comes > with 2 lenses...the price of the Nikon package and the Minolta 7D > (body only) are pretty close. What two lenses? Probably Tamron or something. Nikon VR (antishake) is expensive. The lens is the camera with DSLR's, I think it makes sense to go with the Minolta though I know nothing about it.
bmoag - 29 Jan 2005 17:05 GMT I see no reason to buy a D70 if you already own Minolta AF lenses. I have owned Minoltas and Nikons for many years and there is no difference in quality between these brands overall. I own a D70 and I believe it is possibly the most over-hyped camera ever made. It is not a bad camera but there is no substantial reason to buy a D70 rather than the new Minolta dSLR if you already have an investment in Minolta lenses that you like.
stator - 29 Jan 2005 17:18 GMT >I have owned Minoltas and Nikons for many years and there is no difference >in quality between these brands overall. I do have a preference for Minolta as I have used their equiptment for years...so I guess the statement you made above was what I was looking to hear.
Joe
Sheldon - 30 Jan 2005 02:15 GMT >I see no reason to buy a D70 if you already own Minolta AF lenses. > I have owned Minoltas and Nikons for many years and there is no difference [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > D70 rather than the new Minolta dSLR if you already have an investment in > Minolta lenses that you like. I have to second that. I just bought a D70, but the reason was because I already have some Nikon lenses, and found out they could be converted to use with the D70. Jumping ship can cost you a lot if you have to invest in all new components from another manufacturer. And I doubt most people would see the difference in quality if you stay with Minolta. I also used Minoltas, but went to Nikon when I started to get serious about my photography, and only because Nikon offered more things that appealed to me. Getting the D70 just made sense, given my budget.
Alan Browne - 29 Jan 2005 21:06 GMT > I currently have a Minolta 35mm camera with 4 AF lenses. > I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the anti-shake and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > others by Minolta (among other brands) but for me, it's becoming a > toss-up between these 2 cameras. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/konicaminolta7d/
summarized: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/konicaminolta7d/page20.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/konicaminolta7d/page26.asp
If you have Minolta lenses, then it's likely a good idea to stay in system. If you have a 3600 or 5600 flash (Minolta) plus those lenses, then moreso.
If you forsee building a system, Nikon has advantages lenswise. There are a bunch of Minolta lenses that beat their Nikon counterpart, but overall Nikon just has a greater variety of very good lenses.
Personally, were I to jump away from Minolta for DSLR migration it would be to Canon, not Nikon.
Cheers, Alan
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stator - 29 Jan 2005 21:47 GMT >summarized: >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/konicaminolta7d/page20.asp [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Personally, were I to jump away from Minolta for DSLR migration it would be to >Canon, not Nikon. Thanks for the side-by-side comparison link Alan, that's very helpful.
Joe
Chuck - 30 Jan 2005 16:36 GMT if yout dont got for the Minolta, just go with Canon 20D. Forget the D70.
stator - 30 Jan 2005 20:32 GMT >if yout dont got for the Minolta, just go with Canon 20D. Forget the D70. I was considering the 20D at one point also, but I followed a few threads in this group about potential problems with them. Not sure of the exact nature of the problems, but it was enough to make me looks at other cameras instead.
Joe
Roland Karlsson - 30 Jan 2005 21:50 GMT > I was considering the 20D at one point also, but I followed a few > threads in this group about potential problems with them. Not sure of > the exact nature of the problems, but it was enough to make me looks > at other cameras instead. Hmmm .. what might that be?
As far as I know the 20D is one of the best right now. I think you shall try to find out if those rumours are true or not before you dismiss it.
/Roland
Alan Browne - 30 Jan 2005 22:12 GMT >>I was considering the 20D at one point also, but I followed a few >>threads in this group about potential problems with them. Not sure of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I think you shall try to find out if those rumours are > true or not before you dismiss it. Then he'll have to buy lenses as well. With the 7D, he already has 4 lenses...
I agree that the 20D is not to be discounted out-of-hand.
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stator - 30 Jan 2005 23:04 GMT >> I was considering the 20D at one point also, but I followed a few >> threads in this group about potential problems with them. Not sure of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >true or not before you dismiss it. >/Roland There was a posting entitled "20D: a flawed camera?" in this group. It referred to a couple of people having problems with their cameras. Now, I imagine that any manufacturer is going to have a few lemons (don't buy a car made on a Monday, right?). From the reviews I've read on the 20D, it seems to be an excellent camera....but as Alan said, I would have to purchase lenses for it. Hence my decision to look at both the 7D (with I have lenses for) and the D70 kit (which comes with 2 lenses). By the way, the lenses that come with the Nikon kit are a NIKON 18-70 Lens and a NIKON 70-300 Lens
I like the external controls of the 7D and the large screen....so I'm 90% certain now that that's the camera I will purchase.
Now I just have to find one in Canada at a reasonable price.
:-) Joe
Darrell - 30 Jan 2005 23:29 GMT > >> I was considering the 20D at one point also, but I followed a few > >> threads in this group about potential problems with them. Not sure of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Now I just have to find one in Canada at a reasonable price. What do consider a "reasonable" Canadian price? KM Canada aren't doing themselves any favours with they way they are marketing the 7D. I have about 12 in stock right now.
stator - 31 Jan 2005 01:51 GMT >> Now I just have to find one in Canada at a reasonable price. >> >What do consider a "reasonable" Canadian price? KM Canada aren't doing >themselves any favours with they way they are marketing the 7D. I have about >12 in stock right now. Well, just about everywhere I look in retail stores or online in Canada, the going price for the body only seems to be $1999 CAD. That's $2300 CAD with tax.
Now, I found a supplier that sells them online for $1600 CAD + 15% tax (in Ontario) I am considering buying from this supplier this week unless I can find a better deal.
Joe
Alan Browne - 01 Feb 2005 16:51 GMT > Now, I found a supplier that sells them online for $1600 CAD + 15% tax > (in Ontario) Who is that?
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stator - 01 Feb 2005 21:31 GMT >> Now, I found a supplier that sells them online for $1600 CAD + 15% tax >> (in Ontario) >Who is that? prodigital2000 on Ebay. They are local to me. They have very high shipping rates within Canada, but even with that, my total for a new Minolta Maxxum 7D body cost me $1759.50 (CAD) with tax (15%) and shipping included.
This is not the one I bought but I paid about the same for mine. http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3869487816&ssPageName=STR K:MEWA:IT
They told me the camera comes with a 1yr warranty from Minolta and a 3yr extenteded warranty from a company in New Jersey called "Mack".
I called a few stores that carry this camera (including Henry's) and the price was consistantly $1999.99 + tax ($2300 CAD total)
I ordered it today and will have it tomorrow.
Joe
Alan Browne - 02 Feb 2005 16:08 GMT >>>Now, I found a supplier that sells them online for $1600 CAD + 15% tax >>>(in Ontario) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Canada, but even with that, my total for a new Minolta Maxxum 7D body > cost me $1759.50 (CAD) with tax (15%) and shipping included. If they're local to you, why not pick it up directly and save more on shipping? (Did you ask?).
> This is not the one I bought but I paid about the same for mine. > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3869487816&ssPageName=STR K:MEWA:IT > > They told me the camera comes with a 1yr warranty from Minolta and a > 3yr extenteded warranty from a company in New Jersey called "Mack". That's another area I would have tried to duck dollars.
> I called a few stores that carry this camera (including Henry's) and > the price was consistantly $1999.99 + tax ($2300 CAD total) The price is crumbling. There was a steady $2100/$2200 CAD price line all through X-mas and up to recent. I've had a very decent price quoted locally, not quite as good as the price you quote.
> I ordered it today and will have it tomorrow. Good for you. I look forward to your comments and please post some images.
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stator - 02 Feb 2005 20:55 GMT >> prodigital2000 on Ebay. >> They are local to me. They have very high shipping rates within [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >If they're local to you, why not pick it up directly and save more on shipping? >(Did you ask?). Of course I asked...hehe they are only 5 minutes from me but since they only sell online, they have to ship the product no matter what. I'm expecting mine to be delivered by cab sometime today. I did manage to get them to knock off some of the shipping cost at least.
I'm looking forward to getting it. I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's probably cheap for a reason...any opinions? http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1178591
Joe
paul - 02 Feb 2005 22:50 GMT > I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's > probably cheap for a reason...any opinions? > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1178591 Right after I bought a 2GB microdrive everyone was saying it's a dying technology, etc. Hmph! Right along with my old Oly that uses smart media cards that nobody uses now.
DoN. Nichols - 04 Feb 2005 01:30 GMT [ ... ]
>I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's >probably cheap for a reason...any opinions? >http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1178591 Hmm ... some thoughts:
1) I know that the Nikon D70 can only upgrade its flash firmware image from a CF (Compact Flash) card, not a microdrive. (It is documented in the web page where you download the flash upgrade.) Since you are getting a Minolta, I don't know whether this applies -- but you should check it out, and if necessary have a smaller CF card for the purpose.
2) I don't know for sure, but I would expect the power drain on your camera's batteries to be higher. And (in hot weather and heavy shooting) you might raise the camera's temperature enough to be a problem.
3) Even with its rather impressive shock figures, you *really* don't want to risk dropping a disk drive. (And there is not much to hold onto with these tiny drives.)
A CF card is very shock-tolerant. While it is not too expensive to replace the microdrive, what about all of those images with which you have filled it? How do you replace them? If you *do* kill it by dropping it, what are the odds that you will have 2.0 gb of images or greater on the drive?
4) I don't know the actual write rates for the CF cards, but there is no seek time involved, and the CF cards are available to very high speeds. Mine is an "80X", and the time to transfer images to the card is quite minimal -- helpful if you plan to shoot bursts of shots. (And one battery charge for the Nikon D70 can handle up to 1000 shots at medium/fine setting, with about a third of them involving the built-in flash. I don't think that the microdrive would be as kind to the batteries.
And -- in contrast, my 1GB 80X CF card cost me about $250 (USD), while the microdrive offers more than twice as much space for about half the price.
Just some opinions -- not known facts.
I hope that this helps, DoN.
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stator - 04 Feb 2005 01:37 GMT >>I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's >>probably cheap for a reason...any opinions? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I hope that this helps, > DoN. Thanks Don, after looking into it some more, I decided to purchase the Lexar 2gb 80x CF card instead of the microdrive. From the reviews I've read on that particular microdrive, it's hit and miss.
The price of the 2gb CF card from www.tigerdirect.ca is $269.99 CAD plus tax and shipping. I will be purchasing it next week. That should hold me over for awhile.
I got the new 7D yesterday and I love it. I'll post some pics when I get around to it.
Joe
John - 04 Feb 2005 02:04 GMT > Thanks Don, after looking into it some more, I decided to purchase the > Lexar 2gb 80x CF card instead of the microdrive. From the reviews I've [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I got the new 7D yesterday and I love it. I'll post some pics when I > get around to it. I'm not Don, but am taking the opportunity to offer my (unsolicited) advice: get two 1GB drives instead of one 2GB. Cheaper, just as much storage, and less change of total failure (i.e., highly unlikely both cards would go bad at once). Just my two cents' worth.
- John
DoN. Nichols - 04 Feb 2005 02:49 GMT >> Thanks Don, after looking into it some more, I decided to purchase the >> Lexar 2gb 80x CF card instead of the microdrive. From the reviews I've >> read on that particular microdrive, it's hit and miss. [ ... ]
>> I got the new 7D yesterday and I love it. I'll post some pics when I >> get around to it. Great! You have some web space available, I presume? I think that posting images to the newsgroup (instead of URLS leading to images) is not according to the charter for this newsgroup (which I have not yet seen). It is normally so with any newsgroup which does not have "binaries" in its name. (And certainly a problem in reaching me, because somewhere upstream in ny news feed most binaries (and the posts containing them) are automatically dropped in the bit bucket. :-)
>I'm not Don, but am taking the opportunity to offer my (unsolicited) advice: >get two 1GB drives instead of one 2GB. Cheaper, just as much storage, and >less change of total failure (i.e., highly unlikely both cards would go bad >at once). Just my two cents' worth. And that's what I did -- though at the time (about last June), the price of the Lexar 1gb 80x cards was about what you are about to pay for a 2gb one.
I wonder whether the Lexar "2nd generation" cards are out, yet? (I just read about them following a link from elsewhere in this thread.) That URL was:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6816
and then followed into a comparison of CF cards from different manufacturers.
Good Luck, DoN.
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Alan Browne- - 04 Feb 2005 19:03 GMT > I'm looking forward to getting it. > I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's My opinion is don't risk it. Moving parts are simply more likely to fail.
Shock figures are very misleading. High g numbers should not be taken as a high resistance to shock in all cases. Shock tests are usually done in a way where a lot of surface is involved in the collision. The same object dropped on a corner experiences much higher shock and will more likely fail.
Having said all of the above, there are many people who use these drives for a long time without any faults.
I like peace of mind, so I go solid state wherever I can.
Cheers, Alan
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andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 06 Mar 2005 10:46 GMT >> I'm looking forward to getting it. >> I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's
> My opinion is don't risk it. Moving parts are simply more likely to > fail. But they're only moving when they're in the camera.
> Shock figures are very misleading. High g numbers should not be > taken as a high resistance to shock in all cases. Shock tests are > usually done in a way where a lot of surface is involved in the > collision. The same object dropped on a corner experiences much > higher shock and will more likely fail. But exactly the same is true of solid state CF cards.
Andrew.
Alan Browne - 06 Mar 2005 17:00 GMT >>>I'm looking forward to getting it. >>>I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > But exactly the same is true of solid state CF cards. Those moving parts tend to move when shocked. They might not move in favourable way. Bearings, arms, etc., absorb some of the energy. There is a limit to what they can take. That limit is much lower than what solid stat electronics can take.
In the last ten years of so it is remarkable how robust and reliable small electromechanical systems have become. They simply are not as reliable as a solid state piece of electronics as simple as a flash card.
In common use, the disk drives will likely last most people a long time, and so represent a lower cost alternative. OTOH, high capacity flash cards are very affordable, so that's my choice to reduce the risk of loss as much as possible.
Cheers, Alan.
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McLeod - 06 Mar 2005 19:00 GMT >In the last ten years of so it is remarkable how robust and reliable >small electromechanical systems have become. They simply are not as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >cards are very affordable, so that's my choice to reduce the risk of >loss as much as possible. I agree 100%. We had a bunch of the IBM microdrives and none of them lasted a full year. Most of them were ruined by being ejected from a PCMCIA slot and falling about 12 inches to a desktop.
andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 07 Mar 2005 11:47 GMT >>>>I'm looking forward to getting it. >>>>I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> But exactly the same is true of solid state CF cards.
> Those moving parts tend to move when shocked. They might not move > in favourable way. Bearings, arms, etc., absorb some of the energy. > There is a limit to what they can take. But the moving parts are locked down while the card is outside the camera. So, there's no reason to assume that if a card is dropped such moving parts will take more of the energy.
What you are saying is intuitively true, but it may not be actually true.
Andrew.
Alan Browne - 07 Mar 2005 15:51 GMT > But the moving parts are locked down while the card is outside the > camera. So, there's no reason to assume that if a card is dropped > such moving parts will take more of the energy. "Locked down"? By what? more moving parts perhaps?
> What you are saying is intuitively true, but it may not be actually > true. I'm prepared to find out I'm wrong, but 20+ years in an industry where MTBF is a strong driver says solid state is very reliable, electromechanical is not as reliable by far.
Cheers, Alan
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andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid - 07 Mar 2005 19:43 GMT >> But the moving parts are locked down while the card is outside the >> camera. So, there's no reason to assume that if a card is dropped >> such moving parts will take more of the energy.
> "Locked down"? By what? more moving parts perhaps? Solenoids, I suspect.
>> What you are saying is intuitively true, but it may not be actually >> true.
> I'm prepared to find out I'm wrong, but 20+ years in an industry > where MTBF is a strong driver says solid state is very reliable, > electromechanical is not as reliable by far. In general it surely is true to say that the fewer moving parts the better. However, it's hard to justify without actual tests claims that microdrives, when subjected to idential shock, will always fail first. It might be true, or it might not be. It depends on how well the engineering has been done in both cases.
Andrew.
DoN. Nichols - 07 Mar 2005 22:59 GMT >>> But the moving parts are locked down while the card is outside the >>> camera. So, there's no reason to assume that if a card is dropped [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Solenoids, I suspect. Actually -- more likely to be spring-loaded pawls which are *disengaged* by solenoids once the drive is powered up.
Depending on the angle at which the impact is delivered, the acceleration could actuate the pawl just as the solenoid does to unlock the head assembly. (Unless there was very careful design such that the acceleration direction to unlock the pawl would also serve to hold the heads in position.
But even with locked heads, an acceleration parallel to the spindle would tend to bounce the heads off the platter surface (yes -- in a parking zone -- but it could still fracture the heads, which tend to be ceramics and ferrites -- hard but quite brittle.
>>> What you are saying is intuitively true, but it may not be actually >>> true. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >first. It might be true, or it might not be. It depends on how well >the engineering has been done in both cases. I would certainly be surprised to discover that the rotating platter drives were as shock-hardened on all axes as the flash cards on all axes. And you know that Murphy's Law says that if it is dropped, it will land in the orientation which is most likely to do damage.
Enjoy, DoN.
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Alan Browne - 08 Mar 2005 00:50 GMT > first. It might be true, or it might not be. It depends on how well > the engineering has been done in both cases. See McLeod's reply.
I personally have never heard of anyone having flash card fail. I've heard of a couple microdrives failing + McLeod's 'bunch'.
If it pleases you to get microdrives, go ahead. To me it is obviously riksier to do so.
Cheers, Alan
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DoN. Nichols - 08 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT [ ... ]
>If it pleases you to get microdrives, go ahead. To me it is obviously >riksier to do so. And another consideration is that the Nikon D70 will not update its firmware from a microdrive. It *must* be a Flash Card. So -- if you have a D70, you will need at least *one* flash card -- large enough to hold the firmware updates, even if you use microdrives for everything else. This could be a quite old one -- perhaps 8mb or so would probably suffice.
Enjoy, DoN.
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Alan Browne - 08 Mar 2005 04:06 GMT > And another consideration is that the Nikon D70 will not update > its firmware from a microdrive. It *must* be a Flash Card. So -- if > you have a D70, you will need at least *one* flash card -- large enough > to hold the firmware updates, even if you use microdrives for everything > else. This could be a quite old one -- perhaps 8mb or so would probably > suffice. Well, just bought the 7D and given a few tests, it's quite satisfactory... see my "did it" posts and various links in the series of posts as the thread meanders.
(Flash, not microdrive...)
Cheers, Alan
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Bob Harrington - 08 Mar 2005 10:50 GMT >> And another consideration is that the Nikon D70 will not update >> its firmware from a microdrive. It *must* be a Flash Card. So -- if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > (Flash, not microdrive...) Just a note on firmware updates with the Maxxum 7D - I did it with a Hitachi 4GB microdrive with no problems. I have two of them ( microdrives, not 7Ds), and no problems at all in the whole almost four months since I got 'em.
Wish I could say the same for the 'Bigma' 50-500 I got in December; shipping it back for a warranty repair tomorrow 'cuz its autofocus linkage un-linkaged. I sure hope it's a one-time fluke and not a 10 week MTBF...
Bob ^,,^
Tony Hwang - 10 Mar 2005 23:56 GMT >> But the moving parts are locked down while the card is outside the >> camera. So, there's no reason to assume that if a card is dropped [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cheers, > Alan Hi, Alan I spent all my life in mil-spec gears. You can build a drive which will survive 4000 feet free fall from flying helicopter. Don't be so nervous. So how many hard drive crash have you experienced in your PC or laptop?, LOL. I take you'll never go bungee jumping either. Tony
Michael Meissner - 11 Mar 2005 13:24 GMT > Hi, Alan > I spent all my life in mil-spec gears. You can build a drive which will > survive 4000 feet free fall from flying helicopter. Don't be so nervous. So > how many hard drive crash have you experienced in your PC or laptop?, LOL. I > take you'll never go bungee jumping either. I'm not Alan, but in the 25 years I've been in the computer industry, I have had over 20 hard disk crashes.
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Alan Browne - 11 Mar 2005 15:52 GMT >>Hi, Alan >>I spent all my life in mil-spec gears. You can build a drive which will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm not Alan, but in the 25 years I've been in the computer industry, I have > had over 20 hard disk crashes. I have had 0 crashes with small hard disks. back in the mini days, we had the odd pack go ballistic. At work and at home, and a couple dozen hard disks over 20 odd years, no crashes. I've dropped a laptop from about 4 feet onto a granite floor, running, and it still worked fine (something broke loose inside the laptop, it rattled thereafter, but ran perfectly).
Having said all that, I've heard of microdisks crashing or dying, I've never heard of a flash card dying. Case closed AFAIAC.
Tony Hwang, I didn't see your post. I doubt many commercial off the shelf HD's will survive a 4000 ft. freefall onto a hard earth surface. One can ruggedize the hell out of a HD, but these little micodisks don't fit that category.
Cheers, Alan
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Tony Hwang - 10 Mar 2005 23:52 GMT >>>I'm looking forward to getting it. >>>I was going to order this 2.2gb microdrive from Tigerdirect.ca. It's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Andrew. Hi, My daughter travelled the world over with her Canon digital camera and 1GB micro drives. So far no problem since new. Now she is using them on D70. She left for Thailand for the summer yersterday. Tony
Alan Browne - 01 Feb 2005 16:49 GMT > What do consider a "reasonable" Canadian price? KM Canada aren't doing > themselves any favours with they way they are marketing the 7D. I have about > 12 in stock right now. So how much? And are KM holding you to a sales price?
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Alan Browne - 01 Feb 2005 16:48 GMT > Now I just have to find one in Canada at a reasonable price. What do you consider "reasonable"?
PMA is coming, following that there may be reason for the 7D price to fall.
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St?phane Guillard - 31 Jan 2005 10:48 GMT Hi,
>I currently have a Minolta 35mm camera with 4 AF lenses. So did I a few weeks ago :)
> I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the anti-shake and > lens compatibility values. My motivations were the same.
> However, I have also been considering the Nikon D70 package that comes > with 2 lenses...the price of the Nikon package and the Minolta 7D > (body only) are pretty close. I only considered the Dynax 7D, because additionnally to being anti shake & lens compatible, it had the simple & efficient ergonomy of my 600 Si.
So I bought a 7D.
> Any opinions to help me reach a decision would be appreciated. I can only tell from my few weeks of experience with the 7D (nota bene, this is my first digital camera).
- overall, all is very much ok and well thought, and very consistant with my Minolta habits (I have a 600si and a 9xi but I find the 600 much easier to use thanks to its 'one feature, one button' approach, which luckily is the same on the 7D). Most pictures I shot were as I expected them to be. The menu system is not overloaded, and I find it well thought too. The camera body feels rugged although heavier than you'd expect. I like this camera a lot.
- anti shake is pure magic. I take pictures in low light condition, where you'd need a flash with a non stabilized camera, and they are sharp even at 1/15th s (of course, only if subject not in motion).
- the ergonomy being the same as the 600si, the 7D has the few things which i wished to have on the 600si. Main item (for my taste of course) is "DMF" : after you activate this option, the camera autofocuses, and then retracts the AF mechanism so you can manually retouch the focus.
- the pictures taken feel very "natural colors", to some extent, more than with the films i was used to on the 600si (usually Kodak royal gold 200). The default settings don't enhance neither sharpness nor color saturation, and this is a good thing. You can retouch the settings ("natural+" and "sharpen++" seem to be widely suggested settings if you seek for a bit more impact).
- the camera looks a bit faster than the 600si in terms of general operation, it is ok by my tastes, although you hear here and there that it is slower than the canon & nikon counterparts.
- the only annoying thing so far with my 7D is that mine exposes a consistent habit of underexposing pictures taken with flash. Of course you can correct this using the flash exposure dedicated offset dial setup, but I wonder why they set it up like that.
Kind regards,
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Stephen - 31 Jan 2005 16:29 GMT On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:48:54 +0100, "Stéphane Guillard" <stephane.guillard@steria.com> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out:
>- the only annoying thing so far with my 7D is that mine exposes a >consistent habit of underexposing pictures taken with flash. Of course you >can correct this using the flash exposure dedicated offset dial setup, but I >wonder why they set it up like that. If this occurs with the 5600HS(D), the flash needs to be sent to KM for reprogramming. On some 5600 flashes, the preflash for setting the exposure isn't correct.
Stephen
Alan Browne - 01 Feb 2005 17:06 GMT > If this occurs with the 5600HS(D), the flash needs to be sent to KM > for reprogramming. On some 5600 flashes, the preflash for setting the > exposure isn't correct. Indeed? Do you have references for that (eg: Minolta announcements?)
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Philippe Boite - 01 Feb 2005 22:18 GMT > > If this occurs with the 5600HS(D), the flash needs to be sent to KM > > for reprogramming. On some 5600 flashes, the preflash for setting the > > exposure isn't correct. > > Indeed? Do you have references for that (eg: Minolta announcements?) Yes, there is something in the KM FAQ :
http://kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/content/cam/cam_product_pages/Maxx um_7D?mDetail=Faqs
see the second question : "Images are underexposed when using the Program Flash 5600HS(D) or 3600HS(D), compared to when built-in flash is used. Can this be changed?"
And now they are telling the 3600HSD can be adjusted too.
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Alan Browne - 02 Feb 2005 16:09 GMT >>Indeed? Do you have references for that (eg: Minolta announcements?) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And now they are telling the 3600HSD can be adjusted too. Merci Philippe!
Salutations, Alan
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Alan Browne - 01 Feb 2005 16:56 GMT Stéphane Guillard wrote:
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> - the only annoying thing so far with my 7D is that mine exposes a > consistent habit of underexposing pictures taken with flash. Of course you > can correct this using the flash exposure dedicated offset dial setup, but I > wonder why they set it up like that. Stéph, thanks for your comments on the 7D. It's good to hear from actual users. Do you have images posted?
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St?phane Guillard - 02 Feb 2005 09:55 GMT Hi,
> St?ph, thanks for your comments on the 7D. It's good to hear from actual > users. You are my guest.
> Do you have images posted? No, I don't have any online gallery or what, but I could put some on my website, I'll see what i can do soon.
Kind regards,
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SMC - 31 Jan 2005 16:09 GMT > currently have a Minolta 35mm camera with 4 AF lenses. >I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Any opinions to help me reach a decision would be appreciated. I am not a Minolta expert but I faced the similar decision when I wanted a DSLR but the camera brand I use (Pentax) didn't make one. It is very tempting to buy one from the "Big Two" (Nikon/Canon) but I am happy I waited for Pentax. I waited until there was trustworthy reviews of the *ist D. In fact I waited too long and my reward was getting the even cheaper "bargain" *ist DS ...
I think you should wait a little. The Minolta 7D price will lower. Or maybe Minolta will announce cheaper 5D without expensive (but useful!) anti-skahe.
Like Pentax, Minolta makes very good lenses with excellent "look". The results might be made with German design lenses (Leica, Zeiss) which all have this "look". Canon and Nikon lenses are sharp, maybe very sharp, but only a few lenses have the "look".
Many Nikon lenses made in last few years are no better than junk glass, looking sharp in the centre but with soft edges, big distortion and dark at corners. Wide angle zooms at lower prices have been *very* bad in these ways - and this is not good for digital as we need the wider lenses more.
I think Pentax and Minolta lenses are very superior to Canon and Nikon, except for Canon L and top Nikkors which are good but expensive. Even cheap Pentax and Minolta lenses are good and have the "look".
So my advice - stay with your brand (Minolta) and wait until price drops. It will.
(Believe me! It will.)
So you can keep your excellent Minolta glass and buy a new wide angle, knowing it will be better than a Nikkor or Canon (except for expensive ones). Maybe buy wide angle now and enjoy using, while you are waiting?
Hamilton Davidson - 01 Feb 2005 02:44 GMT Joe,
I guess I'll add my two cents' worth to the conversation, although by my math, the kitty already contains almost two bits' worth of good information.
I'm a fellow Minolta owner. Though I lusted for the 7000 when it was first introduced (I was in high school then), when I could finally afford to take the plunge, it was the 7xi that I bought.
Like you, I've acquired several excellent Minolta lenses for it (though I committed the minor blasphemy of choosing some Sigma and Tamron lenses as well -- hey, I was on a budget!!!)
When I made the move to digital a few years ago, I decided to try the Minolta RD-175 because it used Maxxum lenses. However, I also bought the RD3000 because it had a higher image resolution. (I bought them both used, which is why I ended up with two cameras, released several years apart, over the span of a single weekend!)
The RD3000 uses the Minolta Vectis lenses, and although they are probably fine for their intended purpose (projecting an image onto the inferior Advantix film), THEY DON'T HOLD A CANDLE TO THE MAXXUM LENSES. Obviously, this is true for many other camera/lens brands as well!
I am now planning to buy the new 7D. It's the camera that I should have saved my money for instead of buying the RD3000. (Who knew that Minolta would revisit their "old" Maxxum lenses with a new, kick-a.s digital??? Live and learn.) I'll probably still keep the RD3000, to use as a knockabout second-string camera for places that I would NOT take the 7D (like a beach). Also, adding the 7D to my arsenal would give me the entire historical ensemble of Minolta digital SLRs.
Anyway, here's some stuff that was told to me by the sales guy at my WONDERFUL local camera shop. Yeah, I know he's there to SELL CAMERAS (period!) but I tend to believe what he was telling me. First, he doesn't figure that the price will drop on the 7D. At least not significantly. He pointed to other DSLRs that have remained within 10-20% of their inital price, and said that a DSLR is more likely to be withdrawn from the market (and replaced with newer model) before its price cools significantly. But so what? At some point you have to say that "I could've saved $400 by waiting two years, but look at the great pictures I took for that $200-per-year!!!"
Second, and perhaps far more significant to those of us who HAVE and LOVE Minolta Maxxum lenses and the cameras that they work with, the new partnership with Konica has resulted in plans for a series of Konica Hexanon lenses to be released (probably before year end) for the Maxxum platform! Now, if you're a more well-rounded camera buff than I am, you'll appreciate the significance of this. (I had to be told that the Konica Hexanon lenses are ranked among the VERY BEST lenses in the world, and many feel that they rival the top stuff from legends such as Leica and Zeiss.)
Now, I'll temper these remarks by saying that I read a side-by-side comparison of the 7D with the D70, and I did find myself saying "Gee, I wish Minolta had copied that" on more than one occasion. Such as their feeble idea to replace "hot" pixels with blackened pixels instead of average the ones around it. Or the "anti-noise" algorithms that tend to rob more sharpness than the Nikon version. Little stuff like that.
But in my final analysis, anyone owning Maxxum lenses would be crazy to consider buying a camera that required a new batch of far-more-expensive "antishake-included" lenses instead of using the gems they already own!
Good luck.
HD
>I currently have a Minolta 35mm camera with 4 AF lenses. >I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the anti-shake and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Joe Supercow - 01 Feb 2005 19:49 GMT >I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the anti-shake and >lens compatibility values. What changed?
>Now I realise there are people out there that swear by Nikon and >others by Minolta (among other brands) but for me, it's becoming a >toss-up between these 2 cameras. >Any opinions to help me reach a decision would be appreciated. Have you held and handled either of them? I suggest you do that first. After all you have to use it, and you're not buying it to put on a shelf to look pretty and brag about it's features to friends, right?
For me it wasn't really an issue. Lots of Minolta glass and I've got very much used to the handling of my Dynax 7. I haven't even looked my 7D's manual because of that. Just buy the tool that fits YOUR needs and way of working, and not those of a sales guy or Minolta/Nikon/Canon fanatic.
Cheers.
M.
Steven M. Scharf - 06 Mar 2005 17:38 GMT > I currently have a Minolta 35mm camera with 4 AF lenses. > I had planned on buying the Minolta Maxxum 7D for the anti-shake and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Any opinions to help me reach a decision would be appreciated. I would go with the 7D. The 7D is more in the "prosumer" class of the Canon 20D, while the Nikon D70 is more in the amateur class.
The 7D has mirror lock-up, an available vertical grip, and better noise characteristics at ISO 800. Of course at a net cost of around $1300*, it is also about $500 more expensive for body only!
*Amazon has a $100 promotional certificate on purchases in Electronics over $1000 right now (when I got my 20D is was $150). Plus you can get another $75 off if you open an Amazon Visa account ($30 credit, plus 3% in gift certificates ($45) later). http://tinylink.com/?ZDCe88SJYL
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