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Tom - 28 Jan 2006 01:43 GMT
Hi,

I have never used a DSLP before.  I am sick of my Sony W1.  I'd like to buy a DSLP to replace the Sony.  The Sony is not that good.  It is a pain to use the Sony.  I think the len doesn't let enough light to go in the camera.  The Sony likes to slow down the shutter speed to 1/30 of a second 99% of the time... unless I am shooting outdoor at noon where the sun is right up there.  There is no way to shoot anything that moves in any other lighting situration with this Sony.

So, with the tax time coming, I am thinking to maybe fork up a grand to get myself a DSLP... hoping a bigger len can get more light into the camera... hoping more light will get a better picture...  And again... I don't know...

I am thinking to get either the Canon XT or the Nikon D50 BUT both of these are too big for my hand...  I can't hold still either of these cameras.

So, I am looking at the Olympus E500 and the Pentax istDL/DS2...  The Olympus is made in China now... So, it should be alot cheaper... So I am trying to search for the price from the web... It is a bargin.  $750 with 2 lens.

I have used an Olympus film camera before... It was horrible... it couldn't focus anything... I could hear the motor spinning back and fore to hunt for the object endlessly...

But with the relatively cheap price...  do you guys recommand the Olympus for regular day to day family shoot?  Or it will be over kill... better get another P&S?

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Chrlz - 28 Jan 2006 02:43 GMT
So, essentially:

- you're sick of the Sony which you claim uses 1/30 sec, 99% of the
time
(and no exaggeration there, I'll bet you a million dollars..)
- it's a 'pain'
(well, if it hurts, you can probably sue them)
- it 'doesn't let enough light in'
(it's a P&S for heaven's sake - did you not notice the size of the lens
when you bought it?)
- there's no way to shoot anything that moves
(try pre-focussing, anticipating, reading the manual, researching how
to use a basic camera...)
- you don't like the feel of the Canon XT
(me either, so at least I agree there..)
- or the Nikon D50
(hmm, you *are* fussy)
- the Olympus E500 is made in China and so should be cheaper
(the money-hungry mongrels.. - actually, the E300 and E500 kits have
quite a reputation for being very good value for money - let's not get
started on globalisation and allegedly equal playing fields (O:)
- you had an Olympus before and 'it couldn't focus anything' and was
'horrible'
(if you're not exaggerating again, it obviously had faulty AF - why
don't you get these problems fixed under warranty?)

Now what one thing is there in common with all these bad cameras that
you have been using?

Hint - check your signature for clues as to attitude.
Further hint - check mirror.

In other words, I think instead of asking which camera is best for you,
it seems nothing will satisfy you or give you good results *until you
learn a little more about the craft*.

The Sony W1 is a very capable camera, as long as you understand what it
is, and how best to use it.  Here's a quote from Imaging resource:
====
Beginning through intermediate users will be right at home with the
Sony DSC-W1, and advanced users will enjoy its excellent portability
and new manual control option. Although the Sony DSC-W1 is technically
a high-end point-and-shoot digicam, it has a lot of creative options
and enough image adjustments to handle a wide variety of shooting
situations. So, while it's designed to relieve you from complicated
exposure decisions, advanced amateurs and business users will
appreciate it for its quality, portability, and varied shooting
options. It appears well-built and its lens mechanism is impressively
fast. Accessory lenses make it more versatile for wide or telephoto
use. Overall, an excellent "all around" camera, with impressive speed
and resolution.
====

If you can't make it work for you, either it is very faulty (and given
your similar problems with other cameras, seems like that may not be
the case), or you aren't driving it very well...  In which case I'll be
very surprised if a better camera gives you better results.

What's a DSLP, anyway?  (O:
Tom - 28 Jan 2006 03:06 GMT
Hi,

You seems to know alot.
This is some pictures I took.  Again, it was a pain in the a$$ to take these pictures with the Sony...

http://photos.yahoo.com/boaz168@sbcglobal.net

 So, essentially:

 - you're sick of the Sony which you claim uses 1/30 sec, 99% of the
 time
 (and no exaggeration there, I'll bet you a million dollars..)
 - it's a 'pain'
 (well, if it hurts, you can probably sue them)
 - it 'doesn't let enough light in'
 (it's a P&S for heaven's sake - did you not notice the size of the lens
 when you bought it?)
 - there's no way to shoot anything that moves
 (try pre-focussing, anticipating, reading the manual, researching how
 to use a basic camera...)
 - you don't like the feel of the Canon XT
 (me either, so at least I agree there..)
 - or the Nikon D50
 (hmm, you *are* fussy)
 - the Olympus E500 is made in China and so should be cheaper
 (the money-hungry mongrels.. - actually, the E300 and E500 kits have
 quite a reputation for being very good value for money - let's not get
 started on globalisation and allegedly equal playing fields (O:)
 - you had an Olympus before and 'it couldn't focus anything' and was
 'horrible'
 (if you're not exaggerating again, it obviously had faulty AF - why
 don't you get these problems fixed under warranty?)

 Now what one thing is there in common with all these bad cameras that
 you have been using?

 Hint - check your signature for clues as to attitude.
 Further hint - check mirror.

 In other words, I think instead of asking which camera is best for you,
 it seems nothing will satisfy you or give you good results *until you
 learn a little more about the craft*.

 The Sony W1 is a very capable camera, as long as you understand what it
 is, and how best to use it.  Here's a quote from Imaging resource:
 ====
 Beginning through intermediate users will be right at home with the
 Sony DSC-W1, and advanced users will enjoy its excellent portability
 and new manual control option. Although the Sony DSC-W1 is technically
 a high-end point-and-shoot digicam, it has a lot of creative options
 and enough image adjustments to handle a wide variety of shooting
 situations. So, while it's designed to relieve you from complicated
 exposure decisions, advanced amateurs and business users will
 appreciate it for its quality, portability, and varied shooting
 options. It appears well-built and its lens mechanism is impressively
 fast. Accessory lenses make it more versatile for wide or telephoto
 use. Overall, an excellent "all around" camera, with impressive speed
 and resolution.
 ====

 If you can't make it work for you, either it is very faulty (and given
 your similar problems with other cameras, seems like that may not be
 the case), or you aren't driving it very well...  In which case I'll be
 very surprised if a better camera gives you better results.

 What's a DSLP, anyway?  (O:
Skip M - 28 Jan 2006 14:22 GMT
The E-500 is actually larger than the Canon RebelXT, and the Pentax only undercuts the Canon by 1 or 2 millimeters in any dimension..  If the Canon is too large for your hands, you must have the smallest adult male hands on record.  I'd look at some of the other, newer digicams like the Canon G6, on the market, if I were you, they'll be significantly smaller than the DSLRs you mention, and the performance should exceed that of your current camera.
I snipped your HTML, since some IP's won't allow it to show, and it is a waste of bandwidth.

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boaz - 28 Jan 2006 19:30 GMT
Is the E-500 that big?  It looks very small from the picture...

The G6 costs as much as a DSLR.  So, it is not a bargin... Same as the Nikon
7xxx/8xxx... They cost as much.

I've tried some of the Canons.  They are slow to start and take picture;
and many of the pictures has alot of purple color around the white color by
some unknown reason...

So, bottom line, you don't recommand any DSLR?

>...and it is a waste of bandwidth
Bandwidth along with food, and money are there to be wasted... ;)
hahahahah!!!

The E-500 is actually larger than the Canon RebelXT, and the Pentax only
undercuts the Canon by 1 or 2 millimeters in any dimension..  If the Canon
is too large for your hands, you must have the smallest adult male hands on
record.  I'd look at some of the other, newer digicams like the Canon G6, on
the market, if I were you, they'll be significantly smaller than the DSLRs
you mention, and the performance should exceed that of your current camera.
I snipped your HTML, since some IP's won't allow it to show, and it is a
waste of bandwidth.

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Skip M - 28 Jan 2006 21:31 GMT
> Is the E-500 that big?  It looks very small from the picture...
>
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> Bandwidth along with food, and money are there to be wasted... ;)
> hahahahah!!!

All I can say, if the RebelXt is too big for you, then, no, I can't
recommend a DSLR.  Have you actually held any of these cameras?  The Rebel
is too small for me to use, comfortably, but perfect for my daughter.  I'm
surprised that you feel it's too big for you.  It's currently the second
smallest SLR type body on the market, behind the Pentax.  And, like I said,
the Pentax is only 2mm smaller in two dimensions, 1mm smaller in the other.
Not a big difference.
I didn't intend to imply that any camera is a bargain, compared to another.
One thing to consider is that a G6 type camera (all of the mfrs make one, up
to 10mp in Sony's case.) includes a lens, so that has to be added to the
price of a DSLR.  So you are actually $200-$600 less with a so-called
"prosumer" camera, like the Minolta A2, Canon G6 etc. than you would be with
a Canon RebelXT.
Would you waste other people's food or money?  That's what I mean about
bandwidth.  I don't care if you waste yours, not one bit.

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David J Taylor - 29 Jan 2006 01:24 GMT
For a light-weight camera take a look at the Panasonic FZ5

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz5/

It's also available in black.
boaz - 29 Jan 2006 07:49 GMT
Let me  compare the Canon A95 with my Sony W1.  This will help me understand
better to pick a DSLR.  (or as Skip M will say: just forget this crap and
stop wasting his bandwidth)  The A95 can take any picture in any lighting
condition.  When I check the number, the Canon constantly takes the picture
with 1/60 sec. shutter speed.  My Sony, on the other hand, keeps taking
picture with 1/30 sec.(or less even outdoor) making the picture dark and
fuzzy.  The picture comes out with the Canon is sharp and bright.

So, what is going on here?  I look at both lens.  They are about the same
size.  What make the Canon take picture with faster shutter speed but yet
letting enough light to go in the camera?

So, first thing first to pick my next camera... and again some P&S costs at
much as a DSLR... So, just get a DSLR instead.
1) The lens in my W1 probably is very weak.
So, how can you tell a lens is good or not?  Is the size of the barrel
matter?  or as my friend says: trust only the lens from Canon and Nikon; and
forget the other underdog like Olympus, Pentax, etc.

> For a light-weight camera take a look at the Panasonic FZ5
>
>  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz5/
>
> It's also available in black.
boaz - 29 Jan 2006 08:33 GMT
I think I get used to the size of my Sony.  The Canon is just too thick for
me to hold.  The switches are far to reach... etc..  And this is without the
lens...

So, what do you recommand other than a DSLR?

I'd like a fast camera like my Sony but with a better lens.  The Sony
focuses and shoots pictures very fast.  This is the only thing I like about
the W1.  The color is very good too.  But as I've said before, it keeps
slowing the shutter speed to 1/30 or less.  This make it very difficult to
deal with.

And they do waste other people's food.  If the farmers grow too much a
season, they will just trash the food instead of shipping it to the
market...

Same thing with your money... you can either save it or waste it.  Otherwise
Uncle Sam is going to take it... and waste it for you... like... making big
holes everywhere in Middle East...  hahahaha!!!

> All I can say, if the RebelXt is too big for you, then, no, I can't
> recommend a DSLR.  Have you actually held any of these cameras?  The Rebel
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> Would you waste other people's food or money?  That's what I mean about
> bandwidth.  I don't care if you waste yours, not one bit.
 
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