Olympus E-330. I can hear the SLR luddites now....

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RichA - 26 Jan 2006 05:37 GMT

...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!" "What's a live preview???" "We
only need an optical
viewfinder!!" "Why is the viewfinder not centered!!!!"
"If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!!!!"

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/page3.asp

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Martin Francis - 26 Jan 2006 07:22 GMT

> ...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!" "What's a live preview???" "We
> only need an optical
> viewfinder!!" "Why is the viewfinder not centered!!!!"
> "If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!!!!"
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/page3.asp

Rich, considering the number of vitriolic stances you have on (what would
seem like) a diverse range of topics, one wonders exactly what you WOULD
like to see released- some bizarre Nikon F2/Sony R1 hybrid, perhaps?

I know I wouldn't want to spend five minutes in your head.

Martin

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RichA - 26 Jan 2006 16:48 GMT

Abstract thought would most likely be fatal for you.

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Martin Francis - 26 Jan 2006 18:51 GMT

> Abstract thought would most likely be fatal for you.

Any thought process that leads to that constant bombardment of a Usenet
group with deliberately inflammatory subjects could not only be described as
abstract, but several other less complimentary words also. The only risk
your mind poses is the remote possibility I could die from sheer pity.

Nyah.

Martin

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Charles - 26 Jan 2006 07:31 GMT

>...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!" "What's a live preview???" "We
>only need an optical
> viewfinder!!" "Why is the viewfinder not centered!!!!"
>"If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!!!!"
>
>http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/page3.asp

but is it plastic?

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Darrell Larose - 26 Jan 2006 12:48 GMT

>>...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!" "What's a live preview???" "We
>>only need an optical
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>
> but is it plastic?

And what only 14 lenses made for it?

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RichA - 26 Jan 2006 16:47 GMT

Lenses are likely subject to the same market mentality as anything
else. A handful are used by most people, most of the time, while the
others are used very infrequently. The American need for huge
diversity in products (a buyer from Walmart commented they needed 14
colours of toilet seats or the product woudn't sell, even though 90% of
the sales centred around three colours) is weird.
-Rich

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RichA - 26 Jan 2006 16:45 GMT

Yes, unfortunately.

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nrh - 26 Jan 2006 18:01 GMT

> Yes, unfortunately.

Punchlines without the lead-in are a non-event at best and a symptom of
something more disturbing, at worst.
Please quote your intended recipient in your responses, or we may be obliged
to disregard your contributions, on compassionate grounds.

N.

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C J Southern - 26 Jan 2006 19:09 GMT

> "If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!!!!"

And if we'd have been meant to go about our lives naked, we'd have been born
that way.

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tomm42 - 27 Jan 2006 16:31 GMT

Hey the view through the LCD is useless since it shuts down the
autofocus. Also the view in the viewfinder is supposed to be very dim.
Try to hold a camera that big at arms length to use the LCD. I guess
you could put it on a tripod and use it as a view camera, but you still
have to focus through the viewfinder. Seems like a gimic to me.

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Kyle Jones - 27 Jan 2006 21:11 GMT

> Hey the view through the LCD is useless since it shuts down the
> autofocus.

That's mode B, which is plainly a dedicated macro shooting mode and
you'd likely be using manual focus there anyway. Mode A has normal
auto-focus.

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Eric Gill - 27 Jan 2006 17:07 GMT

"RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138253850.611165.218010
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> ...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!" "What's a live preview???" "We
> only need an optical
> viewfinder!!" "Why is the viewfinder not centered!!!!"
> "If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!!!!"

No, my little immature Nym-shifting troll, plenty is supplied by the review
itself:

Live View issues

Live View does on the whole work, certainly it's best in good light or in
Mode B for assessing depth of field and accurate focus for macro work. It's
fair to say that in Mode B you can achieve far more accurate focus point /
DOF setup than you could using the viewfinder. However we did experience
several issues with the E-330's Live View implementation which left us with
a distinct 'if you can't do it properly, don't do it at all' feeling.

* Dark view in low light with A Mode, noise and flickering if 'Live
View Boost' is set to On
* White balance is not applied to live view (inaccurate representation
of color) in either mode
* Brightness of live view not representative of final shot (exposure
compen. ignored)
* Mis-aligned A Mode CCD (tilted slightly compared to the main sensor)
* Reduced frame coverage in A Mode (just 92%)
* Viewfinder eyepiece shutter recommendation in A Mode
* Viewfinder status LCD blank when A Mode live view is active
* No auto-focus in B Mode
* Additional shutter release lag in B Mode (one second more)
* Additional darkening of the viewfinder view

Game, set and match.

> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/page3.asp

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Rich - 27 Jan 2006 22:56 GMT

>"RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138253850.611165.218010
>@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
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> * Dark view in low light with A Mode, noise and flickering if 'Live
>View Boost' is set to On

This I question since my C8080 produces views brighter than ambient
with autoboost working. Brighter than any optical viewfinder.

> * White balance is not applied to live view (inaccurate representation
>of color) in either mode
> * Brightness of live view not representative of final shot (exposure
>compen. ignored)

That shouldn't present a problem since you aren't using it to set
exposure.

> * Mis-aligned A Mode CCD (tilted slightly compared to the main sensor)
> * Reduced frame coverage in A Mode (just 92%)

Not a big deal. FF sensored cams are at about 70%.

> * Viewfinder eyepiece shutter recommendation in A Mode
> * Viewfinder status LCD blank when A Mode live view is active
> * No auto-focus in B Mode
> * Additional shutter release lag in B Mode (one second more)

That's a pain.

> * Additional darkening of the viewfinder view
>
>Game, set and match.

Have to wait and see what effect this stuff actually has on
using the camera to take images.
-Rich

>> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse330/page3.asp

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Skip M - 28 Jan 2006 01:03 GMT

>>"RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138253850.611165.218010
>>@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Not a big deal. FF sensored cams are at about 70%.

Ahem, my FF 5D viewfinder coverage is 96%, the FF 1Ds mkII is 100%, the
APS-C 20D is 95%. Magnification in the viewfinder is in the 70% range, that
may be what you're thinking about.

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Eric Gill - 28 Jan 2006 02:13 GMT

>>>"RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138253850.611165.218010
>>>@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>review
>>>itself:

Piggybacking, since he Nym-shifted back to one of his killfiled Nyms.

>>>Live View issues
>>>
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>> This I question since my C8080 produces views brighter than ambient
>> with autoboost working. Brighter than any optical viewfinder.

That's the review you quoted. If you don't like it, stop quoting it.

>>> * White balance is not applied to live view (inaccurate
>>> representation
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> That shouldn't present a problem since you aren't using it to set
>> exposure.

Right. You're guessing. The best way to ensure quality shots!

>>> * Mis-aligned A Mode CCD (tilted slightly compared to the main
>>> sensor) * Reduced frame coverage in A Mode (just 92%)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the APS-C 20D is 95%. Magnification in the viewfinder is in the 70%
> range, that may be what you're thinking about.

Yep - IOW, he's lying, and poorly.

Forgot to invent excuses for a whole bunch of the points, too.

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G.T. - 03 Feb 2006 22:34 GMT

> ...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!"

Well, it is mighty fugly.

Greg

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Rich - 03 Feb 2006 23:51 GMT

>> ...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!"
>
>Well, it is mighty fugly.
>
>Greg

I imagine someone being transported from 1960 and seeing the cars now
might think the same thing.
-Rich

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Alan Browne - 12 Feb 2006 18:45 GMT

> ...."It doesn't look like an SLR!!!" "What's a live preview???" "We

Don't be an a.s. It's a feature that is both useful (in the right
situations) and somewhat innevitable for DSLRs.

That's three important kudos for Oly: great lenses, the dust removal and
now the preview. While I have great disdain for their sensor size, they
are being smart in lenses, dust cleaning and now helping the
photographer with his composition.

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RichA - 13 Feb 2006 05:29 GMT

Yes, it is a great feature. But like autofocus all those years ago,
the cretins are
braying that it has no use on a DSLR.

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