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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / February 2006A letter to the CEO of Pentax Corporation
http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/A_Letter_to_the_CEO_of_Pentax_Corpo... The letter was sent out by registered mail on 3.1.06 but it is rather disappointed that there has been no response of any kind from Pentax so far. I also discovered that inside the viewfinder of my "repaired" *ist DS there was a small portion of an underneath optical element had been broken when I got it back after the "repair" by Pentax Japan. Indeed, I had added this in the letter to the CEO too, right before I sent it out by post. I posted this case at the Dpreview Pentax SLR Forum and updated the forum readers the latest progress. But very unfortunately the day before I got banned suddenly without any reason given (not even to mention if the reason is fair and reasonable or NOT), despite I have sent two enquiry emails to Mr. Phil Askey for asking WHY. They just ignore me totally. (Well, yes, I know that Phil Askey and his staff has the sole rights to censor any speech at his *private* forum!) Oh, too bad and I think I can see a very dark side of this world. So, I just wish to ask what is "Consumer Rights" in this planet? Noted that my Pentax *ist DS DSLR is indeed still under warranty but it has been destroyed now and the first service request was made on 9.9.05 when I just bought it less than two months and obvious AF problems were found. BTW, I have also asked my local Pentax sole agent to replace another *ist DS unit for me so as to "solve" the problem but so far I am still waiting for their reply. I am now planning to start a new DSLR system, however, I still need a Pentax DSLR body to use my old Pentax lenses, e.g. the 85/1.4 for portraits and the 100/2.8 Macro for macro works. So, not until I can build up a complete enough new DSLR system, I think I still have to run two systems in parallel. Besides, Can anyone tell me also what else I can do now, especially for the above unfair treatment by Pentax Japan and Phil Askey of Dpreview? Any comment will be appreicated. (But I guess there is not much else to do as the current situation faced by me is really bad, IMHO) >Besides, Can anyone tell me also what else I can do now, especially for >the above unfair treatment by Pentax Japan and Phil Askey of Dpreview? >Any comment will be appreicated. (But I guess there is not much else to >do as the current situation faced by me is really bad, IMHO) Unfair treatment? You're an annoying trouble-making fuckwit, I'm not at all surprised you were banned. I'm sure Pentax will be pleased to not have you as a customer.  SignatureJohn Bean >>Any comment will be appreicated. O.K. > Unfair treatment? You're an annoying trouble-making fuckwit, > I'm not at all surprised you were banned. I'm sure Pentax > will be pleased to not have you as a customer. And this is the third NG I've read with this crap posted and reposted. SignatureJohn McWilliams I wonder why you guys still (need to) jump on me even I have gone to a different place. Why? And to Mr. John Bean: Your extreme angry foul language used don't make you look good anywhere. Also, are you a Pentax user, btw? Why got so angry? Even if you're still using Pentax stuff. Could my bad experience with Pentax DSLR system would cause your gear to have troubles or stop working? What's your point of "annoying trouble making"? Afterall, it simply boils down to a case that *I* have troubles with my Pentax DSLR bodies and lenses, I know nothing about you and yours. Just remember that my gear is not yours and that my using requirements/applications are different from yours and vice versa. RiceHigh skrev: > I wonder why you guys still (need to) jump on me even I have gone to a > different place. Why? Michael Poon, Your incoherent ramblings and rants elsewhere violated a basic rule. Direct Quote: "· Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it." Note the worde ONCE: If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once... The problem with you is that you are a narcissist with no regard for others. You can read all about your disorder here: http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html If you do not see yourself there, there's no hope for you. Seek professional help; you need it badly. Sorry, Frank, this is the Usenet Newsgroup where rules set by Phil Askey at Dpreview won't apply. There is no point to quote the rules set by Phil Askey here! Even at Dpreview forum, you have no rights of any kind to moderate others' speech just because you are only one of all the others who is under the moderation and censorship too. You can of course chase me to here and continues to bark and bite me but I just can't see the point you Dpreview guys still "follow" me in this way. I have been disappeared at the old place and I think the jumping should come to an end. My final advice is be civilised and human. You last post shows it differently. (well, if you observe Phil Askey's "golden rule" of forum, it is also mentioned that "no personal attack and be civilised" but I think you (and other folks as well) do the opposite) BR, RiceHigh http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh RiceHigh skrev: > Sorry, Frank, this is the Usenet Newsgroup where rules set by Phil > Askey at Dpreview won't apply. There is no point to quote the rules set > by Phil Askey here! Good grief, Poon! You yourself asked the question: "I got banned suddenly without any reason given (not even to mention if the reason is fair and reasonable or NOT), despite I have sent two enquiry emails to Mr. Phil Askey for asking WHY. They just ignore me totally." "Can anyone tell me also what else I can do now, especially for the above unfair treatment by Pentax Japan and Phil Askey of Dpreview? Any comment will be appreicated. [sic]" I replied, I answered your question. You promised you would appreciate "any comment". What's the matter, you don't have the balls to keep your own word? You are one _v_e_r_y_ sick individual. >RiceHigh skrev: >> Sorry, Frank, this is the Usenet Newsgroup where rules set by Phil [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > You are one _v_e_r_y_ sick individual. The thing about a fuckwit is that it never, ever listens to anything but itself. "Don't try to teach a pig to sing - you're wasting your time and it annoys the pig." Actually he's getting too much attention already, which is what he wants of course. SignatureJohn Bean <frank_ehrlich@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1137746603.590286.311810@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > You are one _v_e_r_y_ sick individual. And, you, Mr Twat, are not in DP Review now - no Unle Phil to come to your aid (and don't think that your chum John, watch-me-dribble Bean will save your a.s, either. Best to get back to the cretins on DP Review - safer for you. George, Phil Askey now is applying an iron hand at *his* "Pentax SLR forum". Funny that day before a guy who signed up with a name "Too Hung Low" and pretended myself using my name RH and argued with all those Pentax Blind Brand Loyalists and pointed out how silly they were. But I bet he just got banned within some minutes and all the related sub-threads were deleted within a few hours. But then, all those P-BBLs continues to bash me and anyone who reported that he has found something wrong (which are not acceptable when compared with other DSLRs made by brands like Canon and Nikon or even older Pentax film SLRs). All these bash the (Pentax) "bashers" posts and threads can ALL remain there. Well, what an well filtered forum which full of m*r*ns. Good job, Phil Askey! I must say.. (beside the word m*r*ns, I just can't imagine and find any other better word(s) to describe! especially with my limited English writing ability). If I was Phil Askey and needed to find a better name for the forum, I would name it as "Pentax DSLR Praising Forum" - The letter "D" and the word "Praising" must be added to truly reflect the truth! Mr. John Bean is also the most funny guy here and there. He just be very afraid and alerted for anyone there to point out his foul language post here and I wondered if he is yet a Pentax user now, anyway. In contrast, at least I still am, and still have many gear at this moment. Best Regards and Cheers (don't be angry yourself with all those m*r*ns!), RiceHigh http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh > George, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Best Regards and Cheers (don't be angry yourself with all those > m*r*ns!),<<< Don't fret - I don't get angry with 'em, I just like to fish there. You're right about the censorship though - which is a shame, because it diminishes the forums, turning a valuable resource into a syrupy praise meeting, where only happy thoughts can be expressed. One can almost hear them breaking into choruses of 'Keep on the sunny side of life'. The thing, though, that really makes me vomit is the 'caste' system that operates in there! - posters are divided into two distinct social groups, the small band of Guru's (who seem to have far more money to waste on lenses than sense) who hold court and generally act as if they own the place., and the much larger gathering of acolytes whose job is to praise the Guru's and generally be respectful at all times! No wonder I can't get on with the twats - especially that sanctimonious bastard from Gloucestershire who puts trite little messages about 'the blessed joy of helping others' in his profile - but who then tells those who disagree with him to 'f.ck Off'! Without getting banned. Naturally. "John Bean" <waterfoot@gmail.com> wrote in message (drivel snipped0 FOAD > Sorry, Frank, this is the Usenet Newsgroup where rules set by Phil > Askey at Dpreview won't apply. There is no point to quote the rules set [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > others' speech just because you are only one of all the others who is > under the moderation and censorship too.<<< It's interesting to see that 'Frank' apparently made a conscious decision to ingratiate himself with the Pentax forum bigwigs, which meant distancing himself from you. I have a theory that some people decide to appear subservient in order to 'fit in' - and then discover that they enjoy licking arses so much that they simply can't stop themselves. For such people, DP Review is the equivalent of a Michelin restaurant! - and, boy, do they pig out! Hi Mr.RiceHigh, I really don't know why you've been banned - perhaps because I haven't read all of your postings. Your letter to Pentax couldn't be the reason. As for the problem with your DS you should have asked your dealer - where you bought the camera - because he is the one who has to stand for Pentax. If this doesn't work you can call him to the court. This isn't a problem that should be discussed in the forums - btw..... OT: This has been in the google.no (norway): You're norwegian? Me - I am from germany, living near Hamburg -where Pentax Germany is situated- I don't have any probs with Pentax! Having much mor probs with Tamron for example.... they don't service the manual adaptall-lenses like the professional SP 2.8/35-105 any more! Not THAT old lens! Only 10 years... With Pentax we are talking about the M42lenses which are often more than 30 years old. As for your dpreview-banning: Perhaps you simply choose another mail-account and member-name and come back again? ;-) Paul RiceHigh skrev: > http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh/A_Letter_to_the_CEO_of_Pentax_Corpo... > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Any comment will be appreicated. (But I guess there is not much else to > do as the current situation faced by me is really bad, IMHO) "paul" <paulfox@web.de> wrote in message > As for your dpreview-banning: > Perhaps you simply choose another mail-account and member-name and come > back again?< Well, certainly that's the approach I tend to favour, myself. Aksey's forums are very useful, no question about it - BUT, they tend to be populated with the most incredibly anal retentive's imaginable! - humourless and helpless bastards who couldn't survive in any other environment that they protective nursery presided over by Uncle Phil. Hi Mr.RiceHigh, I really don't know why you've been banned - perhaps because I haven't read all of your postings. Your letter to Pentax couldn't be the reason. As for the problem with your DS you should have asked your dealer - where you bought the camera - because he is the one who has to stand for Pentax. If this doesn't work you can call him to the court. This isn't a problem that should be discussed in the forums - btw..... OT: This has been in the google.no (norway): You're norwegian? Me - I am from germany, living near Hamburg -where Pentax Germany is situated- I don't have any probs with Pentax! Having much mor probs with Tamron for example.... they don't service the manual adaptall-lenses like the professional SP 2.8/35-105 any more! Not THAT old lens! Only 10 years... With Pentax we are talking about the M42lenses which are often more than 30 years old. As for your dpreview-banning: Perhaps you simply choose another mail-account and member-name and come back again? ;-) Paul Hi Mr.RiceHigh, I really don't know why you've been banned - perhaps because I haven't read all of your postings. Your letter to Pentax couldn't be the reason. As for the problem with your DS you should have asked your dealer - where you bought the camera - because he is the one who has to stand for Pentax. If this doesn't work you can call him to the court. This isn't a problem that should be discussed in the forums - btw..... OT: This has been in the google.no (norway): You're norwegian? Me - I am from germany, living near Hamburg -where Pentax Germany is situated- I don't have any probs with Pentax! Having much mor probs with Tamron for example.... they don't service the manual adaptall-lenses like the professional SP 2.8/35-105 any more! Not THAT old lens! Only 10 years... With Pentax we are talking about the M42lenses which are often more than 30 years old. As for your dpreview-banning: Perhaps you simply choose another mail-account and member-name and come back again? ;-) Paul My postings are simple. I share photos and opinions in the forum but the key reason why many Pentaxian hates me is that I report all my cases mentioned in my letter to the CEO since 2003 each by each everytime I discovered a new problem. They *always* think that I repeat the same but the case is not true. As seen in my letter, the problems are with different camera bodies and lenses and each body or lens could have a few different problems. In addition, I have also carried out some (maybe extensive) tests on the exposure accuracy of DSLR gear (mostly Pentax one plus some Canon tests) and published my findings and test reports in my homepage. But then some Pentaxians hate me to death after that just because I found that Pentax DSLR is not so accurate and predictable and the Canon ones are better. (So what, not a big deal afterall - but it seems that they just think what I told would make the sky falling! Why? But that actually how they reacted.) Regarding the Google, I think it is just all about the region detected by your local Google server, I posted the message at google.com.hk btw. My local dealer has not any problem in the latest case as they have already tried their best and offered great help by sending the problematic gear back to Japan for repair but Pentax Japan just made things worse. For what you have suggested, some banned members of Dpreview did use another name and email to re-register but I would find this rather meaningless. If Phil Askey don't want me to appear or stay at *his* Pentax DSLR Forum, I shall follow his intention. Moreover, I won't hide myself for posting something in the future. If I called myself RiceHigh, I shall continue to use this name to post. Finally, I think I won't contribute to a place where the site owner has done something bad and unfair to me. Indeed, very frankly speaking, I did offer many helps to many of the Dpreview readers since 2003 for many technical related questions or even about photo techniques. In this sense, I am actually a voluntary who contribute to Phil Askey's own *private* site, I shall surely stop my contribution under the current scenario. Best Regards, RiceHigh http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh You really are dense, aren't you? > "I think I won't contribute to a place where the site owner has done something bad and unfair to me." You broke the rules you agreed to when you joined the site, and you copped the penalty you agreed to cop if you broke those rules when you joined the site! It wasn't "bad or unfair" at all! It _is_ Phil's forum, if you don't like it, you and your zero supporters can go and start your own forum and whinge about Pentax as much as you like! > "I am actually a voluntary who contribute to Phil Askey's own *private* site, I shall surely stop my contribution under the current scenario." Excuse me?! That's the whole point! You were banned because people want you to stop "contributing" as you call it. You seem to be the only person to have so much trouble with the Pentax system, while everyone else is out having fun taking excellent photos in spite of these "flaws" you keep "discovering". The only photos I've seen from you are out of focus test charts. Don't think you're the Pentax forum hero -- you're not, and don't think anyone respects you -- they don't. You are the one in the wrong, not Phil, and you're too stupid and/or self-obsessed to realise it. > You really are dense, aren't you? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anyone respects you -- they don't. You are the one in the wrong, not > Phil<<< Tell me - is Phil's arse really as tasty as you make it sound? > My postings are simple. I share photos and opinions in the forum but > the key reason why many Pentaxian hates me is that I report all my > cases mentioned in my letter to the CEO since 2003 each by each > everytime I discovered a new problem. At first I had some sympathy for you but now all I have to say is "give it up already". Move on with your life. You may not get banned here but you will end up in a lot of killfiles. Greg Signature"All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons It has been over one month now but I have never got any response. It is well expected but still it is disappointing and sad afterall. > It has been over one month now but I have never got any response. It is > well expected but still it is disappointing and sad afterall. I'm pretty sure the CEO of Pentax has nothing better to do than answer your moronic letter. >> It has been over one month now but I have never got any response. It is >> well expected but still it is disappointing and sad afterall. > >I'm pretty sure the CEO of Pentax has nothing better to do than answer >your moronic letter. Some lower functionary will read and respond to the letter. Corporations understand that for someone to take time to write and post a letter is something you probably shouldn't ignore, it isn't like firing off an email. -Rich Oh yes, *normally* companies shouldn't ignore her customers and should give reply to any customers' feedback, especially for my case, mine is a formal one - a registered posted letter. However, Pentax is not one of those "normal" companies and it is an exceptional case afterall. Indeed, I told my previous story in my homepage: http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh that I asked for some simple technical support questions by emails four times and had never got any response. My friend sent an email to the same email address and asked, "I am interested in getting a new Pentax DSLR, but btw will Pentax has any plan on Full Frame DSLR?", then he got a reply within two days! (the answer is similar to something like "we have no plan for FF DSLR in the near future but do consider our current *ist D bodies"!) Funny that Pentax can reply to a "future" question but only that you have the chance to buy a new product. But for existing customers who have already bought, they ignored them once and once again. But then those customers are just asking for questions on *current* products they now own and those products are still on sales in the market! The super shortsighting behaviour of this company is something making me astonished, frankly speaking. And indeed, I won't expect the CEO wrote a reply letter to me. I only *imagined* if any staff from Pentax would give me a reply and help me to rectify my DSLR body (which they destroyed, and with unacceptable in-born error too) but of course this is very unlikely, by considering it has been more than one month now, it is very unlikely to happen. A tragedy all in all, for both Pentax and her customers. RiceHigh http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh |
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