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Software for D70 NEF processing

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Ken Tough - 23 Jan 2005 08:51 GMT
What I would like, ideally, is a slimline program that will open
a NEF file, let me adjust saturation of the red/green/blue channels,
contrast and white balance, crop and save as JPG.  I don't want my
images organized for me, or any auto-corrections.

From what I've seen, PictureProject isn't worth loading for me.

Is NikonView any better?  Looks to me like it's just a previous
version of PictureProject.  Do I need NikonCapture?  What about
IrfanView, I've heard good things there but can I change the
parts I want to change? What's the most basic PhotoShop I'd need,
if I had to go that way?

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Joe Makowiec - 23 Jan 2005 15:33 GMT
> What I would like, ideally, is a slimline program that will open
> a NEF file, let me adjust saturation of the red/green/blue channels,
> contrast and white balance, crop and save as JPG.  I don't want my
> images organized for me, or any auto-corrections.

IrfanView will do some of that http://irfanview.com/  It's free; while it
will do some editing, the level of control it gives you isn't great.

TheGIMP (http://www.gimp.org/) doesn't meet your lightweight criterion,
but does everything else you want, and it's also free.  You'll also need
a plugin, something that uses dcraw, in order to import the .nefs.  
http://pages.quicksilver.net.nz/pepe/d70/Nikon_D70_on_Linux.html - This
is a Linux page, but the plugins he mentions for Gimp, if you check their
pages, also have Windows versions.

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paul - 23 Jan 2005 17:59 GMT
> IrfanView will do some of that http://irfanview.com/  It's free; while it
> will do some editing, the level of control it gives you isn't great.

Irfanview doesn't read NEF's though maybe they have a newer plugin, mine
is fairly recent. It says 'invalid raw file'
paul - 23 Jan 2005 19:05 GMT
>> IrfanView will do some of that http://irfanview.com/  It's free; while
>> it will do some editing, the level of control it gives you isn't great.
>
> Irfanview doesn't read NEF's though maybe they have a newer plugin, mine
> is fairly recent. It says 'invalid raw file'

They do have a new plugin but it is very very slow.
Fred Zafran - 24 Jan 2005 01:55 GMT
Just a quick note:

IrfanView will in fact read the D70 .NEF files (no plug-in required).  The
files won't be visible under <FILE.OPEN> unless you set the "Files of type"
to "All files (*.)"

NEFs will then be visible, preview displayed and they can be opened.

IrfanView is a great program and worthy of support (my 2 cents).

Thanks.

>>> IrfanView will do some of that http://irfanview.com/  It's free; while
>>> it will do some editing, the level of control it gives you isn't great.
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> They do have a new plugin but it is very very slow.
paul - 24 Jan 2005 02:08 GMT
I love irfanview but it is noticeably slow with Nikon D70 NEF files for
me. It took me 10 minutes to batch a dozen files on a new Dell
workstation grade laptop & about 8 seconds just to display one file. It
is indeed lightning fast in other file types as long as they are not
really big. I continue to use it as my default image association but not
with NEF's unfortunately. That means I need to keep them in special
folders (which is a good idea anyways).

I wish it could handle them better because that would be good for
batching proofs.

> Just a quick note:
>
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>
>>They do have a new plugin but it is very very slow.
Sheldon - 24 Jan 2005 05:04 GMT
I'd still like an opinion on NikonView for converting NEF files.  I've heard
it's better than PicturePerfect and as good as that $99 program Nikon sells
(just for file conversions).  I think it's a free download.

> What I would like, ideally, is a slimline program that will open
> a NEF file, let me adjust saturation of the red/green/blue channels,
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> parts I want to change? What's the most basic PhotoShop I'd need,
> if I had to go that way?
paul - 24 Jan 2005 14:08 GMT
I think Breeze Browser can do all this very well for $60 though my trial
ran out before I knew what all to check.
http://www.breezesys.com/BreezeBrowser/features.htm
It does handle color space conversion, etc. correctly & is a very fast
RAW browser with some cool features.

With Nikon View I only see a very very basic jpeg batch conversion tool.
The editor has only preset options for white balance and exposure
compensation with other options for RGB, brightness & contrast,
sharpening, auto contrast. The photoshop RAW import plugin shows the
actual white balance temperature it was shot at & a live preview slider
to adjust (versus 5 presets) and it includes a few types of noise
reduction, chromatic aberration correction, etc. The difference is big.
Even nikon capture doesn't offer much more than nikon view. Capture does
support adobe RGB vs sRGB & a bit more options than View but only
photoshop allows

> I'd still like an opinion on NikonView for converting NEF files.  I've heard
> it's better than PicturePerfect and as good as that $99 program Nikon sells
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>>parts I want to change? What's the most basic PhotoShop I'd need,
>>if I had to go that way?
Ed Ruf - 24 Jan 2005 23:52 GMT
>I'd still like an opinion on NikonView for converting NEF files.  I've heard
>it's better than PicturePerfect and as good as that $99 program Nikon sells
>(just for file conversions).  I think it's a free download.

I had been using NV to process NEFs from my 5700 before anyhow.  I tried
PP when I got my D70 and found it's interface to be lacking, so went back
to NV.  There is a limited number of variables compared to Capture in
either PP or NV. NV is a free dl, in the US you will need a valid serial #,
be sure to get the update as well. Note that NV and PP can NOT co-exist
according to Nikon. NV will allow output to 16 bit jpg/tif, whereas IIRC PP
is only 8-bit.
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Sheldon - 25 Jan 2005 02:05 GMT
>>I'd still like an opinion on NikonView for converting NEF files.  I've
>>heard
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> See images taken with my CP-990/5700 & D70 at
> http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html

Are you saying that Nikon View "will" convert NEF files to TIFF files?  I
just need something that will allow me to shoot NEF/RAW and then send them
on in a file anyone can open with PhotoShop.

Sheldon
paul - 25 Jan 2005 06:07 GMT
> I just need something that will allow me to shoot NEF/RAW
> and then send them on in a file anyone can open with PhotoShop.

If you have photoshop (latest version at least) then there is an awesome
plugin for opening & adjusting NEF's. Go to adobe's web site & look for
'Camera RAW plug-in'.
Ken Tough - 25 Jan 2005 10:16 GMT
>If you have photoshop (latest version at least) then there is an awesome
>plugin for opening & adjusting NEF's. Go to adobe's web site & look for
>'Camera RAW plug-in'.

What sort of minimal photoshop can I get away with?  I'd like to
process R/G/B channels separately, desaturate, white balance,
adjust contrast, maybe sharpen.  Not a lot more than that really.
Do I need CS* or can I get by with the slimmer version?

* what's the CS for, anyway?
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Jeremy Nixon - 27 Jan 2005 15:00 GMT
> What sort of minimal photoshop can I get away with?  I'd like to
> process R/G/B channels separately, desaturate, white balance,
> adjust contrast, maybe sharpen.  Not a lot more than that really.
> Do I need CS* or can I get by with the slimmer version?

Photoshop Elements 3 will do what you want.

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Ken Tough - 27 Jan 2005 20:49 GMT
>> What sort of minimal photoshop can I get away with?  I'd like to
>> process R/G/B channels separately, desaturate, white balance,
>> adjust contrast, maybe sharpen.  Not a lot more than that really.
>> Do I need CS* or can I get by with the slimmer version?

>Photoshop Elements 3 will do what you want.

Great, thanks, and to all that replied.

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Ed Ruf - 25 Jan 2005 10:41 GMT
>Are you saying that Nikon View "will" convert NEF files to TIFF files?  I
>just need something that will allow me to shoot NEF/RAW and then send them
>on in a file anyone can open with PhotoShop.

Yes.. But if you have the latest version of PS you are better off with the
Adobe Raw Converter. If not when you install NV it should install it's own
plug-in to allow you to open NEF in older versions of PS. If you install it
after the new version of PS this plugin will conflict with the raw
converter and should be removed.
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Ed Ruf    Lifetime AMA# 344007 (Usenet@EdwardG.Ruf.com)
See images taken with my CP-990/5700 & D70 at
http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html
 
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