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Is the new Canon Rebel as good as a D70s?

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twotonetommy@gmail.com - 23 Dec 2005 16:38 GMT
I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
cheaper.  Is this true?
Thomas T. Veldhouse - 23 Dec 2005 16:47 GMT
> I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

I like the D70 far better.  The flash sync speed is awesome (1/500s).
I can't compare the features in general, as I am not familiar with all,
but the kit lens (you will want to buy it) that comes with the D70 is
far superior to that of the kit lens that comes with the Rebel XT AND it
is sold at a nice discount as part of the kit.

But, most importantly, all the features have there benefits between the
two cameras, but what makes a very large difference to me is the feel of
the camera.  The Rebel just seems cheap, and feels too small for my
hands.  It feels sort of plastic and thin, unlike the Nikon products
(including the D50).  I have been so happy with my D70 that I have not
even looked at the newer cameras coming out ... no upgrade sickness.

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Paul Furman - 23 Dec 2005 16:48 GMT
> I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

Exactly which lenses do you have? What sort of photography do you do?
Will you continue to buy lenses and new bodies in the future, if so at
what budget?
twotonetommy@gmail.com - 23 Dec 2005 17:15 GMT
I bought a Nikon F601 package way back and it came with a Nikon AF
Lens.  I also boought a Nikon AF 200mm lens but cannot remember either
model numbers.  The camera is for my wife who is more the photography
buff then I am. The way she takes pictures, we have to go digital just
to save on development costs.

She is starting to do weddings and small functions but generally her
passion is personal.

Will we be buying more lenses or bodies?  Probably not in the near
future.  We just want a good quality digital SLR camera.
David Geesaman - 23 Dec 2005 19:29 GMT
>I bought a Nikon F601 package way back and it came with a Nikon AF
> Lens.  I also boought a Nikon AF 200mm lens but cannot remember either
> model numbers.

   Go for the Nikon then.  The Canon XT and D70 are designed to be
basically direct competitors, so they are similar in capabilities.  The
others have mentioned that the XT is a little smaller and lighter body,
which some people find nice (but if she's using a standard sized body
already, she may find the d70 more to her preference).  But since you have
AF lenses that you can use, definitely stick with that.

> The camera is for my wife who is more the photography
> buff then I am. The way she takes pictures, we have to go digital just
> to save on development costs.

   Prepare for an avalanche.  Now that they are practically free, she'll
probably shoot that much more.  I got a Digital Rebel in April, and it's
take about 7500 shots - and that's not even a large number among digital
photographers.

> She is starting to do weddings and small functions but generally her
> passion is personal.
>
> Will we be buying more lenses or bodies?  Probably not in the near
> future.  We just want a good quality digital SLR camera.

   Then get the d70 and a couple worth of GB of memory cards.  You'll also
want to consider your computer setup - a DVD-R burner is excellent since you
can archive everything you shoot for pennies per gigabyte.  Without it, your
hard drive will be chock full in a matter of weeks.  I get my computer
hardware from Newegg.com.
   So: (2) 1GB cards = $170
   (1) DVD-R drive = $40
   (1) pack of 50 DVD-Rs = $25

   Dave
Matt Clara - 29 Dec 2005 15:36 GMT
> >I bought a Nikon F601 package way back and it came with a Nikon AF
> > Lens.  I also boought a Nikon AF 200mm lens but cannot remember either
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>
>     Dave

I agree and disagree all at the same time.  The D70 originally competed with
the 10D, and is in essence a cut above the entire Rebel line, extra pixels
aside.

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smlkjhni@gmail.com - 23 Dec 2005 17:35 GMT
Well...Rebel XT is good but there's one BIG problem: it's too SMALL!!
You think I have huge hands? No my hands size is average and I'm not
comfortable holding the camera. Even a mid-range zoom or mid-tele
outweigh it. That's the ONLY reason I bought a 20D, which is more
expensive because I knew if I picked XT, I'd kick myself and growl "why
did I buy a camera that I'm not comfortable with?" When you hold XT,
there's only place for three fingers!! You have to put the last one on
the shutter release botton (maybe all the time?) I like a little weight
to balance the camera in my hands, something that XT doesn't have to
offer.
piperut - 23 Dec 2005 17:53 GMT
> I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

There are a few things to consider when purchasing a Digital SLR -

Do you have lenses for a 35mm camera system that you can use on a
Digital SLR?

This is a very important question.  If you are at all serious about
photography, you may have more money invested in lenses then the cost
of the camera.  I do.  The camera body, is nothing compared to the
amount I have invested in lenes.  So it was a whole lot less expensive
to stay with the same camera system, just go digital!

The Canon Digital Rebel XT has a Smaller body then the Canon Digital
Rebel.  The Digital Rebel is still available.   The Digital Rebel is a
6.3 megapixal, while the XT is an 8 megapixal camera.  The XT has a few
more features.  How large are your hands, and how close is your nose to
your eyes?  Do you need the 8 megapixals, or will the 6.3 megapixal
Digital Rebel fit your needs?  The Canon Digital Rebel will do a 40 x
60 inch print without too much trouble under the right conditions, and
using the right lab.  Do you need to print something larger then that?

If you have Nikon Lenses - buy a Nikon, if you have Canon Lenses, buy a
Canon.
The lab I use that prints some of my work for competitions and such,
they shoot Nikons, however, they think the Canons are a touch better.
Nothing concrete about it.
They see the work that people bring in that people shoot with Nikons,
and that people shoot with Canons.  They just like what they see from
the Canons better.  Now, it could be that they are seeing more artistic
work from people shooting with Canons?

roland
dylan - 23 Dec 2005 18:11 GMT
>I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

I would say the output quality is just as good, which is good because the
70s could be compared cost wise to the 20D not the XT, BUT go and try one
and see if you like the 'feel' of the XT/350D. Some people don't like the
size.

Also consider if you have any canon or Nikon lenses that could be used with
it.
Proconsul - 23 Dec 2005 18:31 GMT
> I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

Speaking as a D70s owner who checked out everything, including my son's
Canon D20 before buying, the answer is NO.....

The D70s is superior itself AND the kit lens is a real winner - head
and shoulders above the kit lens that comes with the Rebel XT.....

PC
"Slack\"@ - 23 Dec 2005 19:15 GMT
> Speaking as a D70s owner who checked out everything, including my son's
> Canon D20 before buying, the answer is NO.....
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>
> PC

It always nice to have an unbiased review, especially after you checked
out *everything*
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1031&message=16402018
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Slack
Robert Schroeder - 23 Dec 2005 20:15 GMT
"Slack"@ <"Slack"@½³.org">" wrote:

>> Speaking as a D70s owner who checked out everything, including my
>> son's Canon D20 before buying, the answer is NO.....
>>
>> The D70s is superior itself AND the kit lens is a real winner - head
>> and shoulders above the kit lens that comes with the Rebel XT.....

> It always nice to have an unbiased review, especially after you checked
> out *everything*
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1031&message=16402018

I do have seen some original 8 MP jpegs from the Canon 18-55 lens made
with the 20D which do show that it really is not as bad as discussion
sometimes sounds - but I wonder what those heavily post-processed
800x530 sized miniaturizations are supposed to prove. With just a bit of
post-processing you can get similarly looking, similarly sharp,
similarly sized pics out of any of the current crop of mobile phones ;-)

BTW, if twotonetommy should come to the conclusion that his existing
Nikon lenses give no absolute reason to stay with Nikon, beside Canon he
might want to think about Pentax and Olympus as well... Especially the
latter do have some of the most interesting glass, and in the shape of
the several E-500 kits some of the best value-for-money-offers, IMHO.

Cheers,
Robert
Proconsul - 24 Dec 2005 02:20 GMT
>> Speaking as a D70s owner who checked out everything, including my son's
>> Canon D20 before buying, the answer is NO.....
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> _____
> Slack

First, you can lose the attitude.....

If you believe reviews written by those who have their own agendas, you
go ahead and be my guest. My experience shows that many of them are
dead wrong....

I never claimed to be unbiased - I said I was a Nikon owner. I checked
out all the competitive cameras/lenses personally, not by reading
reviews. I formed my own opinion and I gave it.

It seems you have nothing of merit to add......:)

By the way, the pix you refer weren't taken by a Rebel XT - although it
appears the same lens was used. The pix are great and they show that
the photographer knew his stuff and used the equipment properly. Where
are the Nikon shots he took for comparison?? Oh,  there weren't any??
Oh.......

PC
"Slack\"@ - 24 Dec 2005 02:34 GMT
>>> Speaking as a D70s owner who checked out everything, including my
>>> son's Canon D20 before buying, the answer is NO.....
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>
> First, you can lose the attitude.....

I was born with attitude :-P

> If you believe reviews written by those who have their own agendas, you
> go ahead and be my guest. My experience shows that many of them are dead
> wrong....

Everyone has a point of view or agenda, that's why you should look for
the evidence and not perpetuate myths.

> By the way, the pix you refer weren't taken by a Rebel XT - although it
> appears the same lens was used.
> PC

Did you look at his first sentence, not to mention the exif data?
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Slack
Frank ess - 24 Dec 2005 02:53 GMT
>>>> Speaking as a D70s owner who checked out everything, including my
>>>> son's Canon D20 before buying, the answer is NO.....
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>
> I was born with attitude :-P

Swap him half and half for his arrogance... and leave him a two-dot
tip.
Proconsul - 24 Dec 2005 03:09 GMT
>> > Proconsul wrote:
>> >
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>
> PC
G.T. - 24 Dec 2005 06:55 GMT
Proconsul wrote with:

Entourage, one f.cked up news client.

Greg

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Proconsul - 24 Dec 2005 03:08 GMT
On 12/23/05 6:34 PM, "Slack"@ <>" wrote:

>>> >> Proconsul wrote:
>>> >>
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>
> PC
Steve Wolfe - 24 Dec 2005 00:25 GMT
>I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

 In some ways, yes, in some ways, no.  As they have slightly different
feature sets, you could contrive situations where either one would be simply
unacceptable if you tried hard enough, when in reality, both are fine,
capable cameras.

  So, what to do?  First, sit down and decide which features you want and
need.  Since you've already done some SLR photography, that shouldn't be too
hard.  Once you've done that, look at which camera meets your needs.  C'est
simple, no?

steve
Rich - 24 Dec 2005 17:38 GMT
>I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
>purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
>two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
>Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
>cheaper.  Is this true?

Here is how it stacks up when you consider all facets of the cameras
from image quality to build:
From best to "least best"
1.  Nikon D70s
2.  Canon Rebel XT and Nikon D50
dylan - 24 Dec 2005 20:10 GMT
>I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

worth a read..and draw your own conclusion

http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/NikonD50vsD70SvsXT_images.shtml
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/NikonD70SvsRebelXT_pg3.shtml
Pod - 24 Dec 2005 23:08 GMT
>I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

No.
Maark - 25 Dec 2005 22:16 GMT
Pod napsal(a):

>>I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
>>purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> No.

YES.
Pod - 26 Dec 2005 16:22 GMT
> Pod napsal(a):
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> No.
> YES.

Shouting doesn't make you right.
Mike Jacoubowsky - 25 Dec 2005 22:49 GMT
>I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

I've got the RebelXT and really appreciate its low noise at high ISO and its
ability to "get the shot." Yeah, I know, that's *really* subjective, but
I've owned a number of cameras, and some do, some don't. Obviously an
interface issue between camera & user... and that's a very relevant thing to
consider. *You* need to pick up the cameras and play with them. And in the
end, the camera that's the most "fun" to use, is probably the better choice,
because that's the one that will probably be better at "getting the shot."

Having said all that, and having read all the nasty stuff about the RebelXT
kit lens (18-55mm), I have to admit I cheated and got mine with the 17-85
IS, which has been great. The IS feature is far more valuable than I thought
it would be, and the range is quite nice. I combine that with a 70-200 F4 L
and I've got a pretty compact, lightweight, relatively-affordable do-it-all
combo.

--Mike--     Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Celcius - 26 Dec 2005 13:30 GMT
twotoneto,

Generally, what people buy "is the best". You will find that owners of
D70's and XT's alike have the best camera.

There are very little "objective" opinions here and elsewhere. Most
people intervening know one make, not the other. Even comparisons
suffer (seen through your screen which might favour one colour over the
other).

Finally, we live in a world of "BEST" and superlatives. Why should we
always have the "BEST" is beyond me. I buy what suits me, not what is
best.

My 2 "BEST" cents.

Marcel
Colin D - 27 Dec 2005 01:18 GMT
> I am a newbie to digital SLR's and want to ensure I make the right
> purchase.  It would make sence I stay in the Nikon family since I have
> two Nikon AF lenses for my 35mm.  But some people tell to go for a new
> Canon Rebel XT which is just as good as the Nikon D70s and much
> cheaper.  Is this true?

This guy's just a troll, and all your well-meaning answers are lost on
him.  Note that after 25 answers he hasn't replied to any, he posted
under a nonsense name, and from Google. Further, the subject is pure
troll bait.

Don't waste your time.

Colin D.
 
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