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> Dr. Joseph Chamberlain
> Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery
Hey Joseph, I own the IS version and it is positively my favorite lens
(and easily my most expensive). The answer to your question is another
question: What sort of photography do you do? I photograph wildlife
(primarily Whitetail Deer) and in that capacity it was worth the extra
money. If you shoot primarily hand-held, in poor indoor lighting or dim
forest lighting then it will be worth it. If you always use a tripod, use
flash alot, and are most concerned with shooting outdoor sports in the
middle of the day then no, in my opinion it would not be worth the
signifigant price difference.
I don't own/haven't used the non-IS so I can't compare the focusing
speeds, but everything I have read says both are great lenses! Hope this
helps!
Kelly

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I wouldn't even consider the non-IS version - you'll need almost 8 times as
much light to be able to hand-hold a marginal shot (3 stops).
A friend of mine bought the non-IS version - I bought the IS version. Now he
borrows mine, and is thinking of upgrading his (and taking a loss).
Hope this helps!
check out the new 70-300 IS. It gets good reviews and is under $600.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=294

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> Dr. Joseph Chamberlain
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> provide
> such a major benefit as to compensate for the price difference ?
Depends on what you shoot. At 200mm, hand-held shots can become
difficult due to camera shake. The IS will help drastically with these
shots when the shutter speed is less than 1/125s. For sports (where this
lens is very popular), the IS is generally no help because the motion of the
subject demands 1/250-1/500s shutter speeds. But most sports shooters still
buy the IS version if the weight and extra cost aren't a big factor
(monopods and paid-for equipment). I've never heard them say there are any
differences between the IS and non-IS in focus speed, and since sports
shooters are demanding of autofocus then any speed difference must be very
small.
Dave
> I am about to purchase Canon's 70-200mm f/2.8 L lens but am in doubt as to
> which model to choose.
> There are basically two models, the difference being that one has IS (image
> stabilization) and the other doesn't.
And the third, the f/4, doesn't have stabilization, is a stop
slower, much lighter and much cheaper.
> Are there any other distinctions between these two models that any of you
> would know of ?
You might want to look here,
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html
where e.g. the measured MTF50 shows a drop for the IS lens,
at 70mm a weaker border (1.6x crop!) resolution, and they claim
it's a bit more flare prone.
> Is IS such a necessary thing as to justify a price increase of 50% ?
If you always shoot in conditions where you get 1/250s f/4[1]
(the effective focal length is 320mm @ crop 1.6) or use a monopod
for, uh, I guess 2 steps of stabilization[2] or use a tripod for
static objects, then the f/4 is your choice.
If you need to watch weight and space, think about the f/4.
If your budget is tight, the f/4 (don't forget,the tripod collar
is extra here).
If you want to use a 2x converter on a non EOS-1 body and retain
AF, the f/4 is contraindicated.
If you need a *single* stop less DOF or a *single* stop more speed,
the f/2.8 non-IS is your choice.
If you shoot subjects where a 'slow' 1/60s is acceptable and you
cannot use a monopod or tripod (you can really help the lens with
a monopod, too), the IS lens is nearly worth it's weight in gold
(about $30.000 :-)).
If you like panning horizontally, the IS can help a lot, too.
> While
> the IS model is selling for about $ 1,700 the model without the IS is
> selling for $ 1,140. Is this difference justifiable and will the IS provide
> such a major benefit as to compensate for the price difference ?
As above, if you shoot tripod only, you'll be probably better
of with the f/4. If you use monopods extensively and you don't
fancy 320mm at 1/10s[3], you don't need the IS. If you however want
1/40s or 1/60s@320mm[4] without a monopod, the IS is for you.
Same if your tripod is on a bridge and a truck passes you ...
or the wind is strong and the tripod's not 100% vibration
free.
-Wolfgang
[1] f/4, 1/250s
ISO 100: bright overcast days
ISO 400: dark overcast days (London type)
ISO 3200: indoors at day, circusses, brightly lit professional sports
[2] f/4, 1/60s:
ISO 100: dark overcast days (London type)
ISO 800: indoors at day, circusses, brightly lit professional sports
ISO 3200: indoors at night, bonfire lit subjects
[3] f/2.8, 1/10s:
ISO 100: brigtly lit indoors at night
ISO 400: Subjects lit by a single candle, flootlit buildings
ISO 1600: typical lit night street scenes
ISO 3200: dark night street scenes
[4] f/2.8, 1/60s:
ISO 400: indoors at day, circusses, brightly lit professional sports
ISO 1600: indoors at night, bonfire lit subjects
ISO 3200: Subjects lit by a single candle, flootlit buildings
Skip M - 21 Dec 2005 06:13 GMT
>> I am about to purchase Canon's 70-200mm f/2.8 L lens but am in doubt as
>> to
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> at 70mm a weaker border (1.6x crop!) resolution, and they claim
> it's a bit more flare prone.
I haven't seen any weakness in the corners with this lens, even on my 5D.
And I certainly haven't seen any flare with it. I sometimes wonder where
they get this. The old Photodo had it as marginally softer than the no IS
version, but yards ahead of anything else in that class.

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Wolfgang Weisselberg - 21 Dec 2005 16:34 GMT
> "Wolfgang Weisselberg" <ozcvgtt02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>> Are there any other distinctions between these two models that any of you
>>> would know of ?
>> You might want to look here,
>> http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html
>> where e.g. the measured MTF50 shows a drop for the IS lens,
>> at 70mm a weaker border (1.6x crop!) resolution, and they claim
>> it's a bit more flare prone.
> I haven't seen any weakness in the corners with this lens, even on my 5D.
They don't claim weakness, they only claim a bit less
resolution power. Measurable, not necessarily very visible.
> And I certainly haven't seen any flare with it.
I have seen flare and ghosting. Ok, shooting into strong
light sources at night tends to do that to most lenses ...
> I sometimes wonder where
> they get this. The old Photodo had it as marginally softer than the no IS
> version,
I cannot see the f/2.8 IS on Photodo, only the f/2.8 non-is
and the f/4. But a marginally lower resolution (on the border)
would match well with the photozone claim.
> but yards ahead of anything else in that class.
I'll not contradict you here.
-Wolfgang
Skip M - 21 Dec 2005 17:18 GMT
>> "Wolfgang Weisselberg" <ozcvgtt02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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> -Wolfgang
I've always subscribed to the notion that if it isn't perceptible by even
better than normal human senses, then it isn't important enough to base a
decision upon.
http://www.pbase.com/skipm/image/50900702
http://www.pbase.com/skipm/image/50900718

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Wolfgang Weisselberg - 22 Dec 2005 14:06 GMT
[70-200 f2.8 IS versus non-IS]
> I've always subscribed to the notion that if it isn't perceptible by even
> better than normal human senses, then it isn't important enough to base a
> decision upon.
I take it you don't do radio or TV, the electromagnetical
waves being not perceptible to even better than normal human
senses? :-)
The same goes for the Internet, btw. :->
> http://www.pbase.com/skipm/image/50900702
> http://www.pbase.com/skipm/image/50900718
At 'original size', the borders get notably softer, at least to my eyes.
I doubt you'll see it in print, though.
-Wolfgang
Skip M - 22 Dec 2005 16:54 GMT
> [70-200 f2.8 IS versus non-IS]
>> I've always subscribed to the notion that if it isn't perceptible by even
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> waves being not perceptible to even better than normal human
> senses? :-)
The results of the tranmissions are perceptible, though...
> The same goes for the Internet, btw. :->
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> -Wolfgang
Actually, I'm not sure that the "softness" isn't due to DOF, not actually
soft. The foreground, particularly.

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Wolfgang Weisselberg - 22 Dec 2005 22:44 GMT
> "Wolfgang Weisselberg" <ozcvgtt02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>> I take it you don't do radio or TV, the electromagnetical
>> waves being not perceptible to even better than normal human
>> senses? :-)
> The results of the tranmissions are perceptible, though...
You can always print a huge image with 50dpi and use a loupe ...
>>> http://www.pbase.com/skipm/image/50900702
>>> http://www.pbase.com/skipm/image/50900718
>> At 'original size', the borders get notably softer, at least to my eyes.
>> I doubt you'll see it in print, though.
> Actually, I'm not sure that the "softness" isn't due to DOF, not actually
> soft. The foreground, particularly.
Doesn't look like that to me, the same distance seems very sharp a
bit more centerward. It still is splitting hairs :-)
-Wolfgang
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Trust me, the price difference is justifiable. Even if you don't plan on
ever taking a photo without the camera/lens on a tripod, it can be of help.
And if you try to hand hold that puppy, you'll NEED the IS.
Long ago, I swore I'd never get another long lens without IS, it's that
valuable.

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