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Nikon D70, usb 2.0 ??

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Wolfgang Schmittenhammer - 18 Dec 2005 15:05 GMT
I have done a quick search, but did not come up with a definitive
answer.. It appears the usb on the Nikon D70 is the usb 1 with a
transfer rate of 12mbs and not the usb 2.0.. I think I just wasted money
buying a card for my laptop for 2.0 ports...... What is the scoop???
Thanks....
Ed Ruf  (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 18 Dec 2005 15:16 GMT
>I have done a quick search, but did not come up with a definitive
>answer.. It appears the usb on the Nikon D70 is the usb 1 with a
>transfer rate of 12mbs and not the usb 2.0.. I think I just wasted money
>buying a card for my laptop for 2.0 ports...... What is the scoop???

D70 is only 1.1, buy a cheap USB2 card reader.
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Wolfgang Schmittenhammer - 18 Dec 2005 16:06 GMT
I was going to use it for time lapse, to connect the camera to the
laptop... Just going to try it now just connecting it to the laptop..
Thanks...
Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) wrote:

>>I have done a quick search, but did not come up with a definitive
>>answer.. It appears the usb on the Nikon D70 is the usb 1 with a
>>transfer rate of 12mbs and not the usb 2.0.. I think I just wasted money
>>buying a card for my laptop for 2.0 ports...... What is the scoop???
>
> D70 is only 1.1, buy a cheap USB2 card reader.
Paul Furman - 18 Dec 2005 19:42 GMT
> I was going to use it for time lapse, to connect the camera to the
> laptop... Just going to try it now just connecting it to the laptop..
> Thanks...

Yeah, it's just not going to allow fast time lapse. Change the quality
to the smallest basic jpeg to increase speed, it'll still be way more
pixels than you can use for any kind of video.

> Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) wrote:
>
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>>
>> D70 is only 1.1, buy a cheap USB2 card reader.
Proconsul - 18 Dec 2005 17:08 GMT
>> I have done a quick search, but did not come up with a definitive
>> answer.. It appears the usb on the Nikon D70 is the usb 1 with a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> D70 is only 1.1, buy a cheap USB2 card reader.

Yup - I just bought a one gig compact flash card from Crucial and they
added a card reader that will read any kind of card for one dollar.
It's USB2 and works fine...

http://www.crucial.com

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Norm Dresner - 19 Dec 2005 21:36 GMT
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:05:40 GMT, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
> Wolfgang
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>
> D70 is only 1.1, buy a cheap USB2 card reader.

WRONG.   According to the Nikon D70 user's manual -- p.204 -- the USB
interface is "USB 2.0 Full Speed"

   Norm
David J Taylor - 19 Dec 2005 23:28 GMT
> "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote in
> message news:b9vaq1ptm0m9oulrnaflmpvidd883q3sce@4ax.com...
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>
>    Norm

Unfortunately - full speed does not equal hi-speed, the maximum speed of
which is USB 2.0 is capable - but full speed is the same 12Mb/s speed as
USB 1.1.  No, I didn't make this up:

 http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm

Getting a USB 2.0 hi-speed reader (and setting up your PC for hi-speed) is
good advice.

David
Norm Dresner - 20 Dec 2005 22:53 GMT
>> "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote in
>> message news:b9vaq1ptm0m9oulrnaflmpvidd883q3sce@4ax.com...
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Getting a USB 2.0 hi-speed reader (and setting up your PC for hi-speed) is
> good advice.

Yeah, I found that the transfer from camera to computer(s) was almost
painfully slow (especially when offloading a few hundred raw images from the
microdrive) and I bought a card reader.  Cut the transfer time about by
about 2/3 but still not what I'd expect for a really high-speed connection.
These comments apply to both microdrive and CF card and I'd have to conclude
that neither a microdrive nor a CF card would actually support the maximum
transfer rate of USB High Speed.

But regardless, the D70's built-in USB interface is 2.0, not 1.x

   Norm
Jeremy Nixon - 20 Dec 2005 23:46 GMT
> But regardless, the D70's built-in USB interface is 2.0, not 1.x

"USB 2.0 Full Speed" is USB 1.1 renamed for marketing purposes.

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Ed Ruf  (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 21 Dec 2005 00:31 GMT
>Yeah, I found that the transfer from camera to computer(s) was almost
>painfully slow (especially when offloading a few hundred raw images from the
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>that neither a microdrive nor a CF card would actually support the maximum
>transfer rate of USB High Speed.

What CF card? The card can limit speed as well.

>But regardless, the D70's built-in USB interface is 2.0, not 1.x

Just semantics, fwiw at this point.
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SMS - 21 Dec 2005 05:33 GMT
> But regardless, the D70's built-in USB interface is 2.0, not 1.x

They are running USB 1.1 speeds over a USB 2.0 interface. For all
intents and purposes, it's USB 1.1. It's marketing semantics by Nikon,
intended to mislead customers.
G.T. - 21 Dec 2005 07:14 GMT
>> But regardless, the D70's built-in USB interface is 2.0, not 1.x
>
> They are running USB 1.1 speeds over a USB 2.0 interface. For all
> intents and purposes, it's USB 1.1. It's marketing semantics by Nikon,
> intended to mislead customers.

Well, Nikon is just capitalizing on this, this is a USB marketing issue
and many manufacturers do use this deceptive marketing practice.

Greg

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David J Taylor - 21 Dec 2005 08:30 GMT
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> Yeah, I found that the transfer from camera to computer(s) was almost
> painfully slow (especially when offloading a few hundred raw images
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>
>    Norm

In brief tests I made, I managed to get 2.5MB/s (20Mb/s) when I got my
computer set up for USB 2.0 hi-speed.  This was disappointingly slow
(although twice as fast as the USB "full speed" I had enjoyed before).
More recent tests are better:  SanDisk Ultra II SD - 294MB in 51s =>
5.76MB/s.  SanDisk Ultra II CF - 521MB in 94s => 5.54MB/s.

The maximum theoretical speed of USB 2.0 is 480Mb/s or 60MB/s, so somewhat
outside current memory card range.

David
Robert Haar - 20 Dec 2005 00:50 GMT
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:05:40 GMT, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
>> Wolfgang
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> WRONG.   According to the Nikon D70 user's manual -- p.204 -- the USB
> interface is "USB 2.0 Full Speed"

Don't be confused by marketing-speak. USB Full Speed is still 12 Mbps. You
need devices rated for USB Full Speed to get the throughput that is possible
with USB 2.0 .
sierra - 20 Dec 2005 09:15 GMT
The D50 is USB 2.0 Hi Speed
SMS - 18 Dec 2005 19:10 GMT
> I have done a quick search, but did not come up with a definitive
> answer.. It appears the usb on the Nikon D70 is the usb 1 with a
> transfer rate of 12mbs and not the usb 2.0.. I think I just wasted money
> buying a card for my laptop for 2.0 ports...... What is the scoop???
> Thanks....

If your notebook has a 32 bit CardBus slot, you can buy a Delkin eFilm
Pro Compact Flash CardBus adapter. It's more convenient than using a USB
2.0 adapter and then a card reader.
 
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