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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / December 2005Photoshop Elements
So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, I eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the trial version first to make sure it would read NEF files only to find that it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit research & I found that version 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many customers will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software. Best Wishes Bruce > So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable > software, I eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Best Wishes > Bruce Presumably, Adobe have done their sums and made a business decision that any extra income from Windows 2000 customers would not cover the extra support and testing effort required for the older OS. David > So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, I > eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Best Wishes > Bruce You might be able to find an older version of PhotoShop LE on ebay. It should work with all Windoze systems as well as Mac classic (through 9.2). JT > So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, > I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Best Wishes > Bruce You shouldn't have a problem finding version 3 of Elements being sold, I see it at computer fairs all the time. Try online searches, I'll bet you find it within the first few links. > So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, > I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many customers > will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software. And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the latest ACR (RAW). >> So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, >> I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the latest ACR (RAW). That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe. > >> So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, > >> I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe. That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point. Greg >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from >> Adobe. > That version doesn't run on Elements 3. That's his point. I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said. Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that. > >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from > >> Adobe. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I thought the OP said that Elements *4* won't work on 2000, but > Elements 3 will. In fact, I'm sure that's what he said. I have said anything related to Elements 4 or Elements 3 running on 2000. These previous three messages are regarding the Adobe Camera RAW plugins. > Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that. You trimmed waaaaay too much. Elements 3 will run on 2000 but ACR 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) will not work with Elements 3.0. John Francis said: "That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from Adobe." in response to: "And the problem with Elements 3 is it does not have the latest ACR (RAW)." There are new features, very useful ones, in ACR 3.2 that are not in ACR 2.4 which is the latest that will work with Elements 3.0. The original poster is not only missing out on the new features of Elements 4.0 but he is also missing out on the new features of ACR 3.2. Greg > > >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from > > >> Adobe. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have said anything related to Elements 4 or Elements 3 running on 2000. > These previous three messages are regarding the Adobe Camera RAW plugins. Make that "I haven't said anything". > > Presumably, version 3 patches won't change that. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Greg > > > >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from > > > >> Adobe. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > Greg I think somone named Bruce started this thread. You might try going to http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/ and taking a look at Gimp for windows. It is a GPL program. The linux version of GIMP works fairly well. I have loaded GIMP for Windows in XP with mixed results. (In XP it doesn't seem to like my printers, however in LINUX the printers work fine with it.) I ended up with a work around for the dislike of the printers... save the output file and use Picasa for printing. However, I am doing most the photo editing in Linux now. Anyway, you may want to take a look at it. It might just solve your problems. It is a free program. You just have to follow the correct order to download it and install it. If you have a card reader, it will give you an error when you start it if you don't have any media in the card reader. It actually is closer to the full blown Adobe then the Adobe Elements program. roland >> >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from >> >> Adobe. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >You trimmed waaaaay too much. Elements 3 will run on 2000 but ACR 3.2 (or >3.3 beta) will not work with Elements 3.0. Perhaps you should check your facts before rushing to 'correct' people. Elements 3.0 has no problem using Camera Raw 3.x - I've run it with 3.1 and 3.2, and I know of people using the 3.3 beta without problems While you can't use ACR 3.x with Photoshop CS - you need CS2 - there are no such restriction with Elements 3.0 >John Francis said: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >There are new features, very useful ones, in ACR 3.2 that are not in ACR 2.4 True >which is the latest that will work with Elements 3.0. False >The original poster is not only missing out on the new features of Elements >4.0 but he is also missing out on the new features of ACR 3.2. > >Greg >>>>>That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from >>>>>Adobe. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > While you can't use ACR 3.x with Photoshop CS - you need CS2 - there > are no such restriction with Elements 3.0 Me culpa. I'll have to revisit Elements 3.0, I've been using CS for awhile now and could have sworn that ACR 3.2 didn't work with 3.0 so there was no reason for me to use Elements 3.0 any more. >>John Francis said: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > False Sorry about the misinformation. Now that I think about it I probably confused myself between Elements 2.0 which I have on my PC laptop, and Elements 3.0 and CS that I have on my Mac desktop. Greg  Signature"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late The battles we fought were long and hard Just not to be consumed by rock and roll" - The Mekons >>> >> That's easy enough to fix - just download 3.2 (or 3.3 beta) from >>> >> Adobe. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >>Greg John: I use ACR 3.1 to produce DNG files directly from the NEF files (outside of PS) then the DNG files can be opened with PS CS. This allows the use of 3.1 (and presumably 3.2, 3.3, Etc.) without needing PSCS2. For example 3.1 supports EXIF "user comments", where 2.4 didn't. What am I missing here (other than not upgrading from PSCS to PSCS2)?? Bob > John: > I use ACR 3.1 to produce DNG files directly from the NEF files (outside [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What am I missing here (other than not upgrading from PSCS to PSCS2)?? > Bob Don't you mean you're converting NEF files to DNG using the DNG converter and then opening them with the ACR 2.4 plugin for PS CS? If not, then I'm a little confused (as usual). IIRC ACR is not a standalone program but the DNG converter is. And the ACR 3.2 plugin has more control than the 2.4 series plugin. I'm a little hesitant to post this as I have neither my Mac or PC booted to double-check and clearly that has led me to posting misinformation before. Greg Signature"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late The battles we fought were long and hard Just not to be consumed by rock and roll" - The Mekons >> John: >> I use ACR 3.1 to produce DNG files directly from the NEF files [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Greg Greg: That's correct the 3.1 converter is a standalone program released with ACR 3.1 and it has better "support" of the EXIF info in the NEF files than did either ACR 2.4 or the 2.4 converter. Once the NEF files are changed to DNG files, those files can be opened in PS CS (with the 2.4 ACR plug-in installed of course) and the information which was unavailable if the NEF files were opened directly in PS CS with ACR 2.4 now becomes visible because of the conversion to DNG by the 3.1 converter. I guess you are correct when you say the ACR 2.4 plug-in is opening them. I just never thought of it that way. I look upon it more of a way to keep up with the necessity of changing to accommodate new camera NEF files without having to upgrade to PS CS2. Simply download the updated DNG converter to handle the new camera NEF files and you are in business. Are you aware of anything I am missing here?? Bob > Greg: > That's correct the 3.1 converter is a standalone program released with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ACR 2.4 now becomes visible because of the conversion to DNG by the 3.1 > converter. For once going from memory didn't fail me. > I guess you are correct when you say the ACR 2.4 plug-in is opening > them. I just never thought of it that way. I look upon it more of a way to > keep up with the necessity of changing to accommodate new camera NEF files > without having to upgrade to PS CS2. Simply download the updated DNG > converter to handle the new camera NEF files and you are in business. > Are you aware of anything I am missing here?? Nope, that sums it up in a nutshell. I actually am in a similar situation but with Rebel XT .cr2 files. Basically I convert to DNG with the 3.1 DNG converter, and then open the DNGs in PS CS which uses ACR 2.4 to convert to whatever Photoshop supported file format one wants. I haven't used the ACR 3.2 plugin much because I don't use Elements 3.0 very often any more but I do recall it having more controls for converting from DNG. Greg Signature"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late The battles we fought were long and hard Just not to be consumed by rock and roll" - The Mekons > Perhaps you should check your facts before rushing to 'correct' people. > Elements 3.0 has no problem using Camera Raw 3.x - I've run it with 3.1 > and 3.2, and I know of people using the 3.3 beta without problems > > While you can't use ACR 3.x with Photoshop CS - you need CS2 - there > are no such restriction with Elements 3.0 You are my hero, John. I didn't know this. >So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, I >eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the >trial version first to make sure it would read NEF files only to find that >it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit research & I found that version >3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many customers >will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software. http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=4438485/search=photoshop +elements+3 SignatureEd Ruf Lifetime AMA# 344007 (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) See images taken with my CP-990/5700 & D70 at http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html > So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, I > eventually decided on Photoshop Elements 4 fortunatley I downloaded the > trial version first to make sure it would read NEF files only to find that > it won't work on anything other than XP. Bit research & I found that version > 3 will work on my Windows 2000 but Adobe don't sell it. How many customers > will that lose them . I ended up buying the Nikon Capture software. So upgrade to Windows XP. It's the least sucky version of Windows yet. Bruce I have some advice. This is a nice workflow (though a little time consuming) that gives nice results. Download Nikon View - it's free. Use it as a raw converter (you can change WB, exposure, etc there) and it retains all in camera settings, which most 3rd party raw converters dont, then import picture into elements, for final editing. You may say "why use 2 programs when I can use 1. Well after a lot of fooling around I guess I'm now sold on the theory "nikon knows what nikon pics should look like theory". I suppose there's some "religion" here, not just science. But I'm happy using a nikon product for the raw conversion, but Adobe for final touches, cropping etc. You bring the raw file into Adove as a tiff or HQ jpeg. You don't need a Adobe raw converter for this flow. > So now I have a D70 I thought I'd buy some decent but affordable software, > I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Best Wishes > Bruce >Bruce I have some advice. This is a nice workflow (though a little time >consuming) that gives nice results. Download Nikon View - it's free. Use [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >touches, cropping etc. You bring the raw file into Adove as a tiff or HQ >jpeg. You don't need a Adobe raw converter for this flow. If all one uses for raw conversion is NV, you are missing out on a lot in the process. I use a mixture of Nikon Capture, Raw Shooter Essential and PSE3 at the moment. NV, which I've used for years btw, can't hold a candle to any of these. SignatureEd Ruf Lifetime AMA# 344007 (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) See images taken with my CP-990/5700 & D70 at http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html |
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