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Volvox - 25 Nov 2005 19:22 GMT
I'm looking around for a DSLR for use with a microscope.

To cut down on vibration I would like to have a mirror lock.
(I will be using x20 and x40 objectives.)

Also a remote shutter release would be an advantage.

I have read about iso settinga, and would also think of using a high
value setting - say iso 1600.  I understand what noise is, but can find
little information comparing different cameras in this respect; ie which
cameras are more noisy than others.

Any suggestions as to suitable models to look at gratefully received.

Robert
Pepe - 25 Nov 2005 20:25 GMT
> I'm looking around for a DSLR for use with a microscope.
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> Robert

I would suggest.

Nikon Coolpix 4500
No mirror
Remote shutter release available

Pepe
David Littlewood - 25 Nov 2005 23:53 GMT
>I'm looking around for a DSLR for use with a microscope.
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>Robert

You seem to have accidentally duplicated your question; see my answer to
your other post.

David
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Rich - 26 Nov 2005 02:50 GMT
>I'm looking around for a DSLR for use with a microscope.
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>Robert

You don't want to use any camera's 1600 ISO setting for microscopy
unless you are shooting live, moving specimens and can't provide
enough light for whatever reason.  Volvox's are ok
since they don't fly around like Paramecia!
Try to provide a light souce that will allow you to use at max. 200
ISO in order to preserve detail, colour, tone and keep noise down.
-Rich
JPS@no.komm - 26 Nov 2005 13:56 GMT
>You don't want to use any camera's 1600 ISO setting for microscopy
>unless you are shooting live, moving specimens and can't provide
>enough light for whatever reason.  Volvox's are ok
>since they don't fly around like Paramecia!
>Try to provide a light souce that will allow you to use at max. 200
>ISO in order to preserve detail, colour, tone and keep noise down.

Don't forget; you are magnifying the image *before* the capture, so if
the image is not going to be shown at large sizes, noise is not going to
be a big compromise o the quieter cameras.  In fact, with microscopy I
would assume that the scenes will be lower contrast than with
macroscopy, especially backlit media, which will also be high-key, and
with these situations, getting a high exposure is as much of an issue in
avoiding noise as is ISO.  A high-key image exposed at +2.5 or +3 in RAW
mode at ISO 1600 (on a camera that uses 12 bits for ISO 1600) is going
to have less noise than the same image exposed at 0EC (metered average)
at ISO 200.
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Rich - 26 Nov 2005 19:44 GMT
>>You don't want to use any camera's 1600 ISO setting for microscopy
>>unless you are shooting live, moving specimens and can't provide
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>to have less noise than the same image exposed at 0EC (metered average)
>at ISO 200.

If he's using really good objectives and eyepieces (plan-apo) then he
should concentrate on any noise that may crop up.  But for the most
part, you are right that the images will be high key image if it's
transmission imaging.  As for microscopy
not using large prints, I have a 16" x 20" microscopic shot of sugar
(taken through a Leitz with  twin polarizers) on my wall!
-Rich
bob crownfield - 26 Nov 2005 18:30 GMT
>> I'm looking around for a DSLR for use with a microscope.
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> Try to provide a light souce that will allow you to use at max. 200
> ISO in order to preserve detail, colour, tone and keep noise down.

manual focus, then i-ttl strobe like SB800 ?

> -Rich
David J Taylor - 26 Nov 2005 10:49 GMT
> I'm looking around for a DSLR for use with a microscope.
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> Robert

You may want to ask in the Yahoo! Group:

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoolpixPhotoMicMac/

where people are already doing this sort of work.  The Nikon Coolpix range
are held in high regard in this application.

David
Rich - 27 Nov 2005 02:56 GMT
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:49:08 GMT, "David J Taylor"
<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk.invalid>
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>> I'm looking around for a DSLR for use with a microscope.
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>David

Problem is the same with using telescopes, that the using a fixed-lens
camera requires (in most cases) a huge eyepiece in either the
microscope (difficult) or telescope (easier) in order to provide a
fully-illuminated field when doing "afocal" photography.  With a DSLR,
the problem is easier avoid since the DSLR would be used without a
lens, using the microscope or telescope eyepiece only as the relay
element.  That is called "eyepiece projection" photography.  Before,
when sensors in prosumer and p&s cameras were small, their lenses were
small (front diameter) as well, meaning it was easier to get near or
full field illumination in the camera with a conventional microscope
or telescope eyepiece size.  Now, with long zooms and large front
elements on prosumers, it's more difficult.  The Coolpix cameras(995,
etc)  like Olympus's C30xx series had relatively small front lens
elements and full field illumination was easier to achieve with
conventional eyepieces.
-Rich
 
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