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mattearoadie - 24 Nov 2005 12:28 GMT
Hi,

I have the 20D.  How do I remove the detailed info ( camera, date, etc)
from when sending pictures via email?  thanks
Skip M - 24 Nov 2005 13:49 GMT
> Hi,
>
> I have the 20D.  How do I remove the detailed info ( camera, date, etc)
> from when sending pictures via email?  thanks

Depending on the photo editing software you use, create a new file and edit
the image there.  That will remove the EXIF, but will embed a new date, the
one on which the new file was created.
It sounds like you're up to something slightly dishonest, now, doesn't it?

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eawckyegcy@yahoo.com - 24 Nov 2005 14:26 GMT
> "mattearoadie" <mattearoadie@aol.com> fails to grep the net:

>> I have the 20D.  How do I remove the detailed info ( camera, date, etc)
>> from when sending pictures via email?  thanks

www.google.com: jpegtran

$ jpegtran -copy none <with-exif.jpg >without-exif.jpg

> [...]
> It sounds like you're up to something slightly dishonest, now, doesn't it?

In accordance with the EXIF Compliance Act of 2007 -- a corollary of
the Digital Image Erasure to Enhance National Security Act of 2006
previously outlined in this forum -- it is illegal to remove any
meta-data that a digital camera is now required to the image.
Furthermore, modification of this data is also illegal.  And if you go
ahead and erase or modify the information, it is permissible for a
court to rule adversely to you in any matter regarding the image.  That
is, the court can assume you were not merely "slightly dishonest", but
actively pursuing a malfeasance and enter rulings to that effect.

There is also a proposed Digital Image Purity Act (DIPA), which will
mandate a full, complete, and non-repudiable chain-of-handling of all
image data.  Once enacted, this legislation will force all image
manipulation, storage, transmission and display mechanisms to
completely document any changes made to the image -- even if none were
made -- starting from collection in camera all the way to downloading
the image via the web.  Fortunately, the "special needs" of the
government and its media mouthpieces are specifically exempted from
this proposal.

This Act is being supported by the rabid fanatics at the
ViewFoundation, major software companies (who stand to profit
handsomely because of government mandated software purchases, and the
narrowing of the market to exclude free software from entry), the
media, the government, and their breathless sycophants.  You should
call your local photography club representative for more information
about this bill.
Skip M - 24 Nov 2005 14:34 GMT
>> "mattearoadie" <mattearoadie@aol.com> fails to grep the net:
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> call your local photography club representative for more information
> about this bill.

That's scary, since the idea was to keep the government from using modified
digital images as evidence!  Exempting the biggest culprits seems rather
counterproductive...

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eawckyegcy@yahoo.com - 24 Nov 2005 14:42 GMT
> That's scary, since the idea was to keep the government from using modified
> digital images as evidence!  Exempting the biggest culprits seems rather
> counterproductive...

I'm sorry, Mr. Middleton, but the Faith In Government Act of 2009
(FIGA) compells me to report your shocking statements to the nearest
constabulary.  The government lie?  Physically impossible!  The media
"elaborating" the truth?  There are mathematical proofs that this can
not occur in our reality.
Skip M - 24 Nov 2005 15:13 GMT
>> That's scary, since the idea was to keep the government from using
>> modified
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "elaborating" the truth?  There are mathematical proofs that this can
> not occur in our reality.

I knew there was a rat around here! <G>

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Jim Redelfs - 24 Nov 2005 16:24 GMT
> That's scary, since the idea was to keep the government from using modified
> digital images as evidence!  Exempting the biggest culprits seems rather
> counterproductive...

I must agree.  Brrrrr...   :\

If it's THAT <ahem> delicate, the sender of the image should simply PRINT it
and send the hard copy.  Problem solved.

            :)
JR
eawckyegcy@yahoo.com - 24 Nov 2005 17:21 GMT
> If it's THAT <ahem> delicate, the sender of the image should simply PRINT it
> and send the hard copy.  Problem solved.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/18/AR2005101801663.html
Jan Böhme - 24 Nov 2005 21:41 GMT
eawckyegcy@yahoo.com skrev:

> > If it's THAT <ahem> delicate, the sender of the image should simply PRINT it
> > and send the hard copy.  Problem solved.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/18/AR2005101801663.html

This is easiest circumvented by printing all sensitive text on a yellow
beckground. As for photographic images, I don't think the yellow dots
would normally be visible through them. If you're paranoid, insert
random yellow pixels in your image.

Jan Böhme
Anabella M. - 24 Nov 2005 21:59 GMT
this is old news.

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/

> eawckyegcy@yahoo.com skrev:
>
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>
> Jan Böhme

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jredelfs@gmail.com - 24 Nov 2005 22:56 GMT
It is clear to me that a fascist police state is rising before our very
eyes here in the United States.  And the so-called "war on terrorism"
is the pretext.  None of us should be surprised.  It has happened
repeatedly throughout history.  Freedom is the exception, not the rule.
And the American people are too brainwashed to care.  --JWR
Frank ess - 25 Nov 2005 06:23 GMT
> It is clear to me that a fascist police state is rising before our
> very eyes here in the United States.  And the so-called "war on
> terrorism" is the pretext.  None of us should be surprised.  It has
> happened repeatedly throughout history.  Freedom is the exception,
> not the rule. And the American people are too brainwashed to care.
> --JWR

Are you an American People? Are you brainwashed?

Stop wasting your energy on innocuous newsgroup postings and DO
something about it!

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Scott W - 24 Nov 2005 16:18 GMT
> Hi,
>
> I have the 20D.  How do I remove the detailed info ( camera, date, etc)
> from when sending pictures via email?  thanks

Removing the data is done all the time, for saving space.  If you are
using Photoshop or photoshop elements use the save for web option, one
of the options is to remove the exif data, this save a lot of space for
small jpgs.

Scott
Iain Laskey - 25 Nov 2005 11:42 GMT
> Removing the data is done all the time, for saving space.  If you are
> using Photoshop or photoshop elements use the save for web option, one
> of the options is to remove the exif data, this save a lot of space for
> small jpgs.
But then you e.g. go and save a 5k file which takes up 2 x 4k clusters
resulting in 8k of disk space so you lose the saving anyway.

Iain
Scott W - 25 Nov 2005 12:00 GMT
> > Removing the data is done all the time, for saving space.  If you are
> > using Photoshop or photoshop elements use the save for web option, one
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>
> Iain

Well I was not thinking of files quite that small. seems when I was
looking at this I could dump a few KB from a file buy dumping all the
exif stuff.  This can be important when attaching images to emails and
you want them to load fast, or putting an image on a web site, not many
people will leave all that junk in for an image that goes on a web site
as it is a bandwidth waster.

The case where I worried a lot about it was in a photo compition web
site that I belong to, the rule are that the images can not be larger
640 on a side and 150KB.  150KB is just enough for a 640 x 640 image,
so you want to make sure every byte is going to the image.

Scott
David Dyer-Bennet - 25 Nov 2005 19:21 GMT
> > Removing the data is done all the time, for saving space.  If you are
> > using Photoshop or photoshop elements use the save for web option, one
> > of the options is to remove the exif data, this save a lot of space for
> > small jpgs.

> But then you e.g. go and save a 5k file which takes up 2 x 4k clusters
> resulting in 8k of disk space so you lose the saving anyway.

Or else it takes a file from 12.1K down to 11.9K and saves an entire
4k cluster; that trick works both ways, unless you have reason to
believe the distribution of sizes isn't fairly regular.

In any case, it saves bandwidth on each web hit to the image.

Not that I *do* those things; I've taken to leaving more and more
non-image information in the images I show (but this is personal photo
gallery, not commercial web-site).
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Paul Furman - 25 Nov 2005 22:57 GMT
>>>Removing the data is done all the time, for saving space.  If you are
>>>using Photoshop or photoshop elements use the save for web option, one
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> non-image information in the images I show (but this is personal photo
> gallery, not commercial web-site).

I realized it was worth stripping the exif with thumbnails their size
could be more exif than image. I just tried a canon 10D image & it only
mattered 0.9k but a Nikon D70 image had 36K of EXIF info, larger than
many web images! My thumbnails are usually only 3K.
Iain Laskey - 28 Nov 2005 14:48 GMT
> Or else it takes a file from 12.1K down to 11.9K and saves an entire
> 4k cluster; that trick works both ways, unless you have reason to
> believe the distribution of sizes isn't fairly regular.
Good point, yes.

Iain
 
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