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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / September 2005Comment in a mag review of Leica lens
First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, no plastic." Obviously, Leica hasn't seen the utility in using plastic in a $2600 lens. How deluded can they be? -Rich > First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: > "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, > no plastic." Obviously, Leica hasn't seen > the utility in using plastic in a $2600 lens. > How deluded can they be? > -Rich Obviously they are not as enlightened as Olympus et al :-) Dick > First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: > "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, > no plastic." Obviously, Leica hasn't seen > the utility in using plastic in a $2600 lens. How much does that thing weigh? I have no problem with plastic camera parts. If you do, go buy a Leica M6 and leave us alone!  SignatureStacey >> First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: >> "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >How much does that thing weigh? I have no problem with plastic camera parts. >If you do, go buy a Leica M6 and leave us alone! I do. But then I don't have to buy a Leica to avoid them, do I? All that a lightweigh camera ever achieves is the ability to transmit more body shake, so you'll ruin more photos. -Rich >>> First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: >>> "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I do. But then I don't have to buy a Leica to avoid them, do I? You tell me. I look at the images a camera produces, not what it's made from. If the 50-200 zuiko has plastic in it, I really don't care all I know is it works great for me BTW if you notice the leica lens is manual focus so it doesn't have to be concerned with the weight of the moving parts of the focus mechanism. > All that a lightweigh camera ever achieves is the ability to transmit > more body shake, so you'll ruin more photos. Actually lighter lenses mean I don't have to haul as much weight around and anyone concerned with image quality should be using a tripod anyway. I shot this at 1/30 handheld so I don't think the plastic in the zuiko 50mm F2 caused this shot to be ruined do you? http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/937049/wasp.jpg And while we're on the subject, where are some of your shots? You seem to be so obcessed with "Quality", you must have taken some KILLER images to need a solid metal camera with A+ optics.. SignatureStacey >>>> First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: >>>> "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >from. If the 50-200 zuiko has plastic in it, I really don't care all I know >is it works great for me Except that more than one person has seen this lens break at the plastic part. Not too good for $1200.00. You could put great optics in a cardboard tube, but why do it? >BTW if you notice the leica lens is manual focus so it doesn't have to be >concerned with the weight of the moving parts of the focus mechanism. Heavens, how did we ever cope, 15 years ago? >> All that a lightweigh camera ever achieves is the ability to transmit >> more body shake, so you'll ruin more photos. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/937049/wasp.jpg It's a great shot, no doubt. But an E-300 and the 50mm lens have some weight, I'm sure, about 800gms. Plus, the E-300 is in large part metal, especially the internals. The SP-500UZ is mostly plastic and weighs only 385g. Guess which one will take the better shot at a slower shutter speed? Damping, the act of nulling out vibration is often achieve by adding weight to something. The higher frequency body or hand tremors will be better supressed by the E-300/50mm combo than the SP-500UZ. >And while we're on the subject, where are some of your shots? You seem to be >so obcessed with "Quality", you must have taken some KILLER images to need >a solid metal camera with A+ optics.. http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/46913065 >>You tell me. I look at the images a camera produces, not what it's made >>from. If the 50-200 zuiko has plastic in it, I really don't care all I >>know is it works great for me > > Except that more than one person has seen this lens break at the > plastic part. Actually they don't break, a few have a problem where they unscrew themselves.. The people this has happened to said they can't see any parts that are broken. >>BTW if you notice the leica lens is manual focus so it doesn't have to be >>concerned with the weight of the moving parts of the focus mechanism. > > Heavens, how did we ever cope, 15 years ago? I'm not a big fan of AF but very few people would buy a manual focus dSLR. >>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/937049/wasp.jpg > > It's a great shot, no doubt. But an E-300 and the 50mm lens have some > weight, I'm sure, about 800gms. Plus, the E-300 is in large part > metal, especially the internals. The SP-500UZ is mostly plastic and > weighs only 385g. Did you not notice this is a dSLR forum? SignatureStacey Using the SP-500UZ was merely an example as I don't know how light the E-500 is yet. But there is no point in debating what is universally true; Light weight DSLRs can result in shots ruined more often by tremor motion blurring or mirror slap than heavier cameras. It all depends on various factors such as weight, severity of "mirror slap" and the propensity of the shooter for hand tremors. -Rich [] > All that a lightweigh camera ever achieves is the ability to transmit > more body shake, so you'll ruin more photos. > -Rich No, a lightweight camera may mean that you actually get the photograph because you didn't leave the camera at home. In fact, a person may actually shake more when holding a heavy object for an extended period of time. David Sorry, but camera weigh has never meant I left the camera at home. If I felt that way, I'd carry a pocketable 5 megapixel job. -Rich > Sorry, but camera weigh has never meant I left the camera at home. Then you've never owned a medium format or large format camera have you? As much as I like the 50-200 zuiko lens, there are times when it stays in the car just because I don't feel like hauling it with me. If the 40-150 had the optical sharpness of the 50-200 wide open, I'd have bought it even at the same price to save the weight. SignatureStacey >> Sorry, but camera weigh has never meant I left the camera at home. > >Then you've never owned a medium format or large format camera have you? I did own a medium format, but at the time, I was shooting black and white and a 35mm with Tech-pan turned out better images than a medium format with 100ASA black and white from Kodak or Ilford. I never shot Tech-Pan in medium format, I figured it would be too hard to develop uniformly. -Rich > First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: > "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, > no plastic." Obviously, Leica hasn't seen > the utility in using plastic in a $2600 lens. > How deluded can they be? > -Rich Perhaps just realistic about the tooling cost, which might well increase the price of a low-volume item even further. Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. >> First paragraph; 75mm f2 Summicron review: >> "This lens is all brass, aluminum and glass, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Perhaps just realistic about the tooling cost, which might well >increase the price of a low-volume item even further. Trust me, I know people who buy high end optics (not cameras) and they will not put up with plastic. Part of the reason goes to aesthetics, but part is functional. -Rich |
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