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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / September 2005Was Minolta Canada killed on purpose?
By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were discounted? Check out these price comparisons: Canada - 20 D 1600 Canada (about 1350 US dollars) (Henry's) US - 20 D 1300 bucks at B&H Canada - 7D 2000 Cad dollars (about 1685 US dollars) (Henry's) US - 7D - 900 US after rebate. > By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep > prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Canada - 7D 2000 Cad dollars (about 1685 US dollars) (Henry's) > US - 7D - 900 US after rebate. Henry's is a poor example; http://www.galaxycamera.com/dicam_minolta.html price was dropped to $1500 http://www.cameracanada.com/eNet-cart/Default.asp?cat=CAMSLR&type=1&mkt=&brand=M inolta http://www.simonscameras.com/viewdetails.asp?item=1792 Henry's never discounted the 7D, neither did Vistek. >By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep >prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were >discounted? Check out these price comparisons: > >Canada - 20 D 1600 Canada (about 1350 US dollars) (Henry's) >US - 20 D 1300 bucks at B&H Maybe basic cameras are competitive. But Canon lens prices are a way out of whack with US prices; and Henry's places the blame on Canon Canada for that. The best I could do on a package deal: Rebel XT kit; 70-200 2.8L IS; and 1.4X; even with the manager being brought into the fray, was around $200 more for the 70-200. They are familiar with B&H prices, but say that because of Canon Canada's pricing structure, there is just no way they can compete with American lens prices. :-( On 9/8/05 6:41 AM, in article 43213f47.2888046@news.netrover.com, "Stan Birch" wrote: >> By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep >> prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > but say that because of Canon Canada's pricing structure, there is > just no way they can compete with American lens prices. :-( So buy from American vendors - what's the problem? PC I'm not certain, but usually if there's a Canadian arm/division of a corporation, they have exclusive warranty rights in Canada. So if you buy an Canon US lens, you're ineligible for warranty service (or its exceedingly expensive due to shipping) as a foreigner, and Canon Canada refuses to honour the warranty. Canon US equipment would be equivalent to 'grey market' product in Canada. :( Canadian $ is about $0.80 of the USD now, so there's shouldn't be that much of a discrepancy between prices ... the Camera market appears quite finicky though. Regularly I get computer components much cheaper than the going rate in the US even factoring the exchange rate in. >I'm not certain, but usually if there's a Canadian arm/division of a >corporation, they have exclusive warranty rights in Canada. So if you >buy an Canon US lens, you're ineligible for warranty service (or its >exceedingly expensive due to shipping) as a foreigner, and Canon Canada >refuses to honour the warranty. Canon US equipment would be equivalent >to 'grey market' product in Canada. :( While that's usually the case, Canon **cameras** carry a North America wide warranty. It's not necessarily the same for all Canon products though. My printer for instance, is country specific. For Pentax stuff, products purchased in the US, have to be sent to the US for warranty service >Canadian $ is about $0.80 of the USD now, so there's shouldn't be that >much of a discrepancy between prices ... the Camera market appears >quite finicky though. Regularly I get computer components much cheaper >than the going rate in the US even factoring the exchange rate in. I calculating the more expensive cost of purchasing a Canon lens, I've taken the exchange into account. If Canon Canada has a warehouse full of stuff that they imported with a 78 cent dollar, just because the Canadian dollar is 84 cents today, doesn't mean that Canon Canada can suddenly offer their products for any less, until their current stock is depleted. >>I'm not certain, but usually if there's a Canadian arm/division of a >>corporation, they have exclusive warranty rights in Canada. So if you [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >suddenly offer their products for any less, until their current stock >is depleted. And yet the oil companies after refining and establishing a cost, RAISE gasoline prices when the price of crude rises. Looks like not all businesses operate the same? -Rich Rich is an economically ignorant retard: > >I calculating the more expensive cost of purchasing a Canon lens, I've > >taken the exchange into account. If Canon Canada has a warehouse full [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > RAISE gasoline prices when the price of crude rises. Looks like not > all businesses operate the same? If you don't like how someone is pricing merchandise, you are free to take your business elsewhere. In return for your freedom from being forced to buy on their terms, they are equally free not to sell on your terms. >Rich is an economically ignorant retard: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >forced to buy on their terms, they are equally free not to sell on your >terms. Ah yes, the response of the purely ignorant reactionary poster. After your "Canada is a small market speech" ask yourself why some products (Olympus) aren't huge ripoffs here while Minolta's DSLR is. Your all-encompassing theory doesn't fit. -Rich Rich scribbles on the fridge: >>If you don't like how someone is pricing merchandise, you are free to >>take your business elsewhere. In return for your freedom from being [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > some products (Olympus) aren't huge ripoffs here while Minolta's > DSLR is. Your all-encompassing theory doesn't fit. I don't have to explain anything -- I merely point out to you what is obvious to anyone else with a functioning brain: if you feel something is priced too high, go elsewhere with your money. Do you have an alternative suggestion, sirrah? The Minolta 7D came to market while I was still trying to choose a system, and it arrived carrying a very hefty price tag. When I priced-out a full system, Minolta was $1,000 higher than a Canon 20D based system. High prices for bodies and lenses, and a limited selection of lenses and accessories couldn't have helped Minolta's cause in the Canadian market. Heralding a six megapixel sensor, when your lower priced rival already offers eight, only compounded their difficulty. Anyway, it reminds of when they stopped selling Yugos in Canada. It took time, but we put it behind us. :) Rob >The Minolta 7D came to market while I was still trying to choose a system, >and it arrived carrying a very hefty price tag. When I priced-out a full [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >megapixel sensor, when your lower priced rival already offers eight, only >compounded their difficulty. It was the same in the UK. My friendly authorised Konica Minolta dealer (of 20+ years standing) ordered one 7D body. Lots of Minolta users came to inspect it, and handle it, but not one of them bought it. He has lowered the price on it many times, so the ticket now shows a whole 60% less than the original price, but it is still there, gathering dust. Meanwhile, the dealer has sold many Canon, Nikon and even Olympus DSLRs to his loyal former Minolta customers. They are loyal to him, because he is a very good dealer, but when Konica Minolta puts such a high price tag for a thoroughly mediocre product, loyalty stops. >Anyway, it reminds of when they stopped selling Yugos in Canada. It took >time, but we put it behind us. :) I wonder if Yugos sell anywhere but in "Yugoland", or wherever it is they come from? If it's a conspiracy we'll see whose's next, Sigma Canada pehaps ? > If it's a conspiracy we'll see whose's next, Sigma Canada pehaps ? There is no Sigma Canada. Sigma is distributed by Gentec which is a small importer. Konica-Minolta Canada was a subsidiary of Konica-Minolta Corp. > By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep > prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Canada - 7D 2000 Cad dollars (about 1685 US dollars) (Henry's) > US - 7D - 900 US after rebate. Canadian distribution of all products from all vendors his way out of line wrt to the US distribution. I got the 7D for well under $1800 back when it was retailling for 1800 - 1900. It is now much less here and further, the $200 rebate was applied. (I got it even though I officially did not qualify for it (date)). Henry's (Toronto) have gone bananas in the last couple years, their prices are way out of line on new stuff. The Nikon Coolscan is US$2000 at B&H and CAD $3200 - $3300 here in Canadian stores. Total and absolute nonsense. In response to my complaint to Nikon Canada, their reply was evasive. I just purchased a new meter at B&H for delivery in Florida (where I'll be next week). Even paying Shipping to Florida and GST/PST on return I'll save a bundle. Cheers, Alan  Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >> By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep >> prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Cheers, >Alan Canon 5D $3300 U.S. in the U.S., $3800 U.S. in Canada. On 9/8/05 2:13 PM, in article j9a1i15ni8tnjk0kao7hnps5hmu8ph9asb@4ax.com, >>> By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep >>> prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Canon 5D $3300 U.S. in the U.S., $3800 U.S. in Canada. You are probably paying a hidden tax to finance your "free" medical care.....:) PC >You are probably paying a hidden tax to finance your "free" medical >care.....:) Even if that were the case, it would really be no big deal. Having lived, and actually survived a number of decades under the Canadian Medical system I really have no complaints. Like . . . in observing even the most basic and primitive of indices such as maternal survial-rate, the Canadian medical system is still blowing away the American rate on a >2X basis. Even Cuba has a better track-record than that! || You are probably paying a hidden tax to finance your "free" medical || care.....:) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | blowing away the American rate on a >2X basis. Even Cuba has a better | track-record than that! Yeah - I'm sure that's why Seattle hospitals are flooded with Canadians who come over the border to get the care and treatment that their system "rations" out to them. The Canadian system is great - as long as you don't get sick and don't need medical care....! The onlyt thing that prevents chaos and collapse is "rationing" care. I'll take our system any day..... Check out the numbedr of Canadians who live in Ontario and go to Detroit, Chicago and other such centers.... Ask yourself why 95% of all Canadians live within a hundred miles of the US border.... PC Can we please try to keep the flame wars to DSLR product only please? It gets too confusing when we mix Canada vs US, Canon vs Nikon, Plastic vs Metal, and Dogs vs Cats in the same group. Oh, good one! My hat is off to you sir. R > Can we please try to keep the flame wars to DSLR product only please? > It gets too confusing when we mix Canada vs US, Canon vs Nikon, Plastic > vs Metal, and Dogs vs Cats in the same group. >>Alan > > Canon 5D $3300 U.S. in the U.S., $3800 U.S. in Canada. Canon 5D $4500 AUD in Australia. Currency conversion of USD puts it at $4,278.62 AUD. I guess the pigeons flying in tandem to relieve the stress of carrying the thing cost a few bucks so there's no real saving here. SignatureDouglas, My name is but a handle on the doorway to my life. > Canadian distribution of all products from all vendors his way out of > line wrt to the US distribution. Hardly. None of the Canadian retailers have anywhere near the volume of the NYC mail-order outfits. A simple test of volume is their inventories of rare or very expensive items. Example: neither Henry's or Vistek, as far as I know, stock the Canon EF 500/4L. I would expect the price, if one was stupid enough to obtain one through either of these outlets, would be 30 to 50% higher than B&H and the delay would be weeks, if not months. Contrast this to the fact that to obtain mine last year, I just picked up the phone and called B&H and it was in my hands a few days later. Rich puts on his tin-foil hat and scratches in the sand: > By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep > prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were > discounted? Or are you just a frantic market-watching nitwit in a continual state of withdrawl, fantasizing about equipment you can never possibly own? Did you know that drug addicts are continually fascinated by the market conditions for the dope they consume? Marvellously detailed theories are concocted to explain the behaviour of their dealers. |
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