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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / September 2005DSLR "classes"
The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? This is my impression as to how this works: (Models need not be in production here, just readily available in some form, new or used) Class 1. Canon 1DS MKII Canon 1D MKII(N) Canon 5D Nikon D2X Nikon D2Hs Leica Modular R (Digital) Olympus E-1 Fuji S3 Class 2. Canon 20D(A) Nikon D100 Minolta 7D Sigma SD10 Class 3. Nikon D70(s) Olympus E-300 Pentax *ist DS Class 4. Canon Rebel XT Nikon D50 Minolta 5D Pentax *ist DL "Bittorrents are REFUNDS for all the BAD movie products Hollywood never gave us refunds for in the past" > The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, > but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Nikon D100 > Minolta 7D Pentax *ist D > Sigma SD10 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Minolta 5D > Pentax *ist DL Dunno if I agree with all of Class 1. I agree as well. Though i like that the S3 has to offer, it is not i the sme class as the Canon 1Ds2 or the D2x >> The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, >> but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Dunno if I agree with all of Class 1. the Olympus E-1 either, as it is getting a bit long in the tooth, and at this point is a sub-$1000 camera. >I agree as well. Though i like that the S3 has to offer, it is not i the >sme class as the Canon 1Ds2 or the D2x [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Dunno if I agree with all of Class 1. >the Olympus E-1 either, as it is getting a bit long in the tooth, and at >this point is a sub-$1000 camera. That's true. But it's build quality and other refinements put it in the pro class. Prices nowadays don't account for all class differences. -Rich >>I agree as well. Though i like that the S3 has to offer, it is not i the >>sme class as the Canon 1Ds2 or the D2x [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>> Leica Modular R (Digital) >>>> Olympus E-1 Fuji S3 "Bittorrents are REFUNDS for all the BAD movie products Hollywood never gave us refunds for in the past" > The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, > but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > "Bittorrents are REFUNDS for all the BAD movie products Hollywood > never gave us refunds for in the past" Sorry Rich but you'll have get the 5D out of Class 1 because it's not a Professional camera, just one for Enthusiasts... Whoever the hell they are! Looks like it's in the group with Sigma SD 10's.  SignatureDouglas, My name is but a handle on the doorway to my life. I change my Usenet ID periodically. I don't like people including me in their data collection. >> The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, >> but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >Professional camera, just one for Enthusiasts... Whoever the hell they >are! Looks like it's in the group with Sigma SD 10's. Gee, time was $3500 would put you square into the pro categories, of SLRs that is. -Rich > The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, > but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Minolta 5D > Pentax *ist DL I think you need to move the Canon 5D, Oly E-1 and Fuji S-3 into Class 2, and move the entire population of class 2 into 3, 3 into 4 and create class 5 for the appropriate cameras. The 5D, E-1 and S-3 are not competitors for the Nikon E2 series and the Canon 1 series. Not sure where the Leica falls, too expensive for one, and not rugged enough for the other. The Sigma SD10 needs to be dropped a class, too, not enough res, camera performance nor ruggedness to be put in the same grouping as the 20D and Minolta 7D. SignatureSkip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com > > The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, > > but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > performance nor ruggedness to be put in the same grouping as the 20D and > Minolta 7D. And the Rebel XT sure as hell doesn't belong with the D50 or *istDL. Throw the original Rebel in there. Greg >> > The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, >> > but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Greg Yeah should not be that high, build quality and design is disgucting. I wouldn't rate the Sigma that high. > The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, > but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Olympus E-1 > Fuji S3 E-1? Class 2 at best. It really underachieves in resolution and noise. 5D and Leica Modular? These are just the next standards for "class 2." OTOH, this whole list is not really of any value IAC, so don't update. No better than what's-his-name's wretchedly bad page. ;D Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, > but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Class 1. Canon 1DS MKII > [ etc ] What you want to do is rate lenses, and then cameras with mounts that fit will classify themselves. >> The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, >> but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >What you want to do is rate lenses, and then cameras with mounts that >fit will classify themselves. It wasn't really a rating at all, just a idea that certain cameras occupy a different place in the hierarchy. It isn't even based on overall performance because the Rebel XT will outperform cameras in classes above it if it's paired with a good lens, as will the E-300 if not used under low light conditions. -Rich > >> The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, > >> but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It wasn't really a rating at all, Sure it was. > just a idea that certain cameras occupy a different place in the > hierarchy. Yeah, a rating. :-) > It isn't even based on overall performance because the Rebel XT will > outperform cameras in classes above it if it's paired with a good lens, as > will the E-300 if not used under low light conditions. Then why did you classified them the way you did? >> >> The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, >> >> but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Then why did you classified them the way you did? For most of them, it's a generalized perception of where they stand. If you rate every aspect of their performance, build quality, etc, the classes would change a little. -Rich >The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, >but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >"Bittorrents are REFUNDS for all the BAD movie products Hollywood >never gave us refunds for in the past" RichA, According to this list, my Digital Rebel/300D must have no class, only the Digital Rebel XT/350D is listed. I can deal with that because it has severed met my needs for well over a year & continues to do so. My needs are relatively modest & I have learned to work around most of it's deficiencies & maximize it's positive attributes just as I do with P&S cameras as well. Constant upgrading is not cost effective for me, especially when what I have still meets over 95% of my needs. Eventually I will upgrade my DSLR body when I feel that the "cost to benefit" is worth it to me. Full frame or 1.6x crop factor is something else to consider as well. It might be nice to have 1 of each even though most of my needs now favor the telephoto range. What features would I like in an upgrade path? 1> True spot metering. 2> Interchangeable focus screens. (Architectural & manual focus screens). 3> Dark field subtraction noise reduction, user selectable. 4> User selectable pixel mapping to compensate for an aging sensor. 5> Some effective form of sensor dust reduction system. 6> CF/SD memory card slots. 7> WiFi encrypted transmission to send picture data to a nearby notebook used as an auto backup to in camera memory. 8> Reliable AF even as & f8? Sure I could add other things to this lofty wish list & many of these features are available in some of the newest & understandably most expensive cameras now, but I can wait until the prices have dropped & there is more options to choose from. Also I am not a big fan of the mega-pixel race, it has it's place for some applications. However for my needs, an added 2 or 3 f-stops of light sensitivity @ the same resolution would be much more desirable. Just an armature's 2 cents worth. 25+ years experience with 35mm SLR & 5+ years in digital photography & yet I consider myself an amateur because it's always been just a hobby for me, I have never sold a single picture of any of my work. It's an interesting time to be in photography & to see where digital evolves, as advanced as it is, it still just a baby with a lot of room to grow. Respectfully, DHB "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 >>The magazines have been comparing cameras in various ways, >>but in terms of "class" of camera, how would they rank? [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >notebook used as an auto backup to in camera memory. >8> Reliable AF even as & f8? I saw the new Nikon P&S's with WiFi and I'm wondering how long it takes to send a 3 meg or larger image to the notebook? -Rich |
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