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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / August 2005Canon 5D - put up or shut...
Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely entertainment value, lets keep a running total of who thinks its real, and who doesn't. For terms of scoring, "yes its real" will be evaluated on the following criteria: 1. An announcement by Canon of a 5D before the end of August. 2. The 5D is full frame. 3. The 5D has ~ 12mp resolution, +/- 2 megapixels. Post a reply to this message, with a "Yes i think its real" or "No i thinks its bogus" before Friday, August 20th, 11:59pm EST. For starters, I'll say "No i think its bogus". PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. Yes i think its real > Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads > about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. Someone already mentioned much eariler this year in this group that there would be a middle of the line model and it'd a full frame camera coming. Use google to look it up? It would be interesting if you had raised this question at that time. Now, we're just waiting for the offical announcement as we all [should] know it's true, along with 1D MK II N, 430EX flash and a 24-105/4L IS lens. > Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads > about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say we'll see a 5D with those specs around the release date.  Signaturehttp://www.pbase.com/bcbaird > Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads > about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. See http://www.p5freak.de/images/cps.gif for a screen grab of a page that's was temporarily on the European CPS site earlier -- Simon http://www.pbase.com/stanmore hrm... maybe i'm not following this group as closely as i should... i'm still somewhat skeptical. a 5d maybe, but full frame? i'd hate to be the only loser of my own thread. ;) burnsdavidj@yahoo.com wrote in news:1124136790.686663.213010 @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > i'd hate to be the only loser of my own thread. ;) "No I think its bogus" Glad I could help, Jim Signatureset MyEmail=jim.n.pam@ix.netcom.com set MyEmail=%MyEmail:.n.=n% Although I appreciate the moral support, looks like in the last 48 hours its all but official... lots of sites posting specs now in anticipation of the release. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/265500 The supposed $3500 USD is only about 2.5x that of the 20D... I'd be more comfortable if it ends up being ~$5k -- given its supposed market position I think it calls into question Canon's commitment to the 1.6 EF-S mount. A $3500 model today is the $1750 model of 2008...or less. > Although I appreciate the moral support, looks like in the last 48 > hours its all but official... lots of sites posting specs now in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > position I think it calls into question Canon's commitment to the 1.6 > EF-S mount. A $3500 model today is the $1750 model of 2008...or less. At the moment, it doesn't call ANYTHING into question, unless Canon is actively leaking some of these specs, which is an exceptionally poor marketing technique. It is all speculative, and until it is officially announced, it's useless to say it "does" anything. >> Although I appreciate the moral support, looks like in the last 48 >> hours its all but official... lots of sites posting specs now in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It is all speculative, and until it is officially announced, it's > useless to say it "does" anything. Welcome to high tech marketing...where "leakage" keeps people from buying your competitor's product while you design, debug, tool, and manufacture yours. Of course, Canon has a history of being pretty quick...they might even be at the "tool" step by now. > Welcome to high tech marketing...where "leakage" keeps people from buying > your competitor's product while you design, debug, tool, and manufacture > yours. If anything, Canon risks keeping people from buying their own existing products, more than they risk keeping people from buying something from someone else. An official announcement might have some Osborne effect on the 20D, but not a hell of a lot given the $2300 price difference. It appears that the EOS 1D Mark II N will be Canon's response to the Nikon D2x, while no competitor has anything similar to the alleged EOS-5D. >> Although I appreciate the moral support, looks like in the last 48 >> hours its all but official... lots of sites posting specs now in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > actively leaking some of these specs, which is an exceptionally poor > marketing technique. Canon has leaked info before as their marketing strategy. The 20D was leaked well over a month before the anouncement. Some wag suggested by the time it hit the shelves it would be discontinued ;) >> Although I appreciate the moral support, looks like in the last 48 >> hours its all but official... lots of sites posting specs now in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > actively leaking some of these specs, which is an exceptionally poor > marketing technique. No it is very good technique. It allows you to estimate the market price sensitivity and how big you first production run and distributor stocking should be. > It is all speculative, and until it is officially announced, it's > useless to say it "does" anything. The 22nd it not far off now, we will soon see. > The supposed $3500 USD is only about 2.5x that of the 20D... I'd be > more comfortable if it ends up being ~$5k -- given its supposed market > position I think it calls into question Canon's commitment to the 1.6 > EF-S mount. A $3500 model today is the $1750 model of 2008...or less. $1700 is a fair guess for 2008 or 2009 for FF but I think they will still be making 1.6 EF-S cameras for the under $1000 market in 2008. SignatureCharles > See http://www.p5freak.de/images/cps.gif for a screen grab of a page that's > was temporarily on the European CPS site earlier What is the EOS 1D Mark II N, on that same site? A higher resolution 1D Mark II in response to the Nikon D2x? >> See http://www.p5freak.de/images/cps.gif for a screen grab of a page >> that's was temporarily on the European CPS site earlier > > What is the EOS 1D Mark II N, on that same site? A higher resolution 1D > Mark II in response to the Nikon D2x? Canon did sell the F1n, which like the D70s I suspect is some minor tweaks. Not enough to give it a new name (mk.III) > >> See http://www.p5freak.de/images/cps.gif for a screen grab of a page > >> that's was temporarily on the European CPS site earlier [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Canon did sell the F1n, which like the D70s I suspect is some minor tweaks. > Not enough to give it a new name (mk.III) Someone alluded to a usable ISO 6400. I don't know about that. I guess we'll wait and see. Signaturehttp://www.pbase.com/bcbaird >>> See http://www.p5freak.de/images/cps.gif for a screen grab of a page >>> that's was temporarily on the European CPS site earlier [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Canon did sell the F1n, which like the D70s I suspect is some minor > tweaks. Not enough to give it a new name (mk.III) Not to mention the EOS 1's replacement, the EOS 1n. And there were a couple of F1 bodies with the "n" appellation, the first was unofficial, then there was the F1N, which was a further tweak, with AE options. So, there was the F-1, F-1 (later model) called the "n" or the F1N in Japan, lower case, and the New F-1, "N" uppercase. But none carried an "N" on the body. SignatureSkip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com Yes i think its real Signature- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kodak DCS460, Canon Powershot G5, Olympus 2020Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------ put me down for yes. Not because I believe it, but because I want to believe it. > For terms of scoring, "yes its real" will be evaluated on the following > criteria: > 1. An announcement by Canon of a 5D before the end of August. > 2. The 5D is full frame. > 3. The 5D has ~ 12mp resolution, +/- 2 megapixels. Is it all right to use punctuation, etc.? IAE, I'll guess "Yes" [59.55% probable, to be exact.] SignatureJohn McWilliams >Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads >about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. It is genuine. [Note, I didn't say "I think it is genuine". That is because I know that it is genuine.] > Post a reply to this message, with a "Yes i think its real" or "No i > thinks its bogus" before Friday, August 20th, 11:59pm EST. I think it is real. SignatureCharles > Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads > about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. I'm guessing it's real, at 12.8mp and full frame, or nearly so. Check the published specs, the sensor is about 0.1mm smaller than the one in the 1Ds mkII. If the 28-105 f4 L IS is true, there's two 28-135 IS lenses that are going to hit ebay in a hell of a hurry! SignatureSkip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:39:26 -0700, burnsdavidj wrote: > Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads about > the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. I'd like a draft beer please. SignatureSave photography | shoot some film today! email: drop rods and insert surfaces Yes,It's for real. > Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads > about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. Yes i'm sure its real. For the people who understand German: http://www.digitalkamera.de/Kameras/Canon-EOS-5D.asp Jan Akkermans > Yes i'm sure its real. > > For the people who understand German: > http://www.digitalkamera.de/Kameras/Canon-EOS-5D.asp > > Jan Akkermans Yup, I know a little German. "vorläufiges Datenblatt aufgrund inoffizieller Informationen erstellt. Daher keine Garantie auf Richtigkeit der Angaben." Translation: "provisional data sheet based on unofficial information. Therefore, there is no guarantee of the correctness of the data." Which sounds like these folks don't know any more than we do... Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. > > Yes i'm sure its real. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "vorläufiges Datenblatt aufgrund inoffizieller Informationen > erstellt. Daher keine Garantie auf Richtigkeit der Angaben." Yes it's based on exactly the same leak as any other comment by now: http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/28/61.htm > > > Yes i'm sure its real. > > > > > > For the people who understand German: > > > http://www.digitalkamera.de/Kameras/Canon-EOS-5D.asp > Yes it's based on exactly the same leak as any other comment by now: > > http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/28/61.htm but the official source is online: http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d I did not finde any difference of the specs yet: http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d/specifications.html > Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads > about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 2. The 5D is full frame. > 3. The 5D has ~ 12mp resolution, +/- 2 megapixels. How about, "who gives a sh.t, let's hope Canon put out a great camera no matter what it's named. Likewise for the other OEM's" G'luck with your poll. Cheers, Alan. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. <Snip> > How about, "who gives a sh.t, let's hope Canon put out a great camera no > matter what it's named. Likewise for the other OEM's" And here's someone that's taken the poll in the spirit with which it was intended! I marked him down as "Yes its real" re: Maxxum 3D full frame, 16mpixel, 15fps with licensed Olympus anti-dust, DX lense compatible with the anti-Canonite PR forcefield. ;) >Ok, time to have some fun in this group. We've all seen the threads >about the supposed pending announcement of the Canon 5D. For purely [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >PS I'm being generous with the +/- 2 mps. Yes, I think it's real. It is a logical step for Canon, the timing is right, and the leaked .pdf, if it's a fake, has to be at the very top end of what has been done in the world of trickery. Plus I want it to be right! PS - Friday is the 19th. I made it either way. David SignatureDavid Littlewood Just to make it official... everyone was right except for me. :/ Definitely started this thread way too late. That said, does anyone think that the 'leak' was deliberate surepticious marketing by Canon? If this product release was really supposed to be secret, its doubtful all the VARS/retailers would have been given the scoop so far in advance....its a good way to leak a secret, certainly. > Just to make it official... everyone was right except for me. :/ > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > been given the scoop so far in advance....its a good way to leak a > secret, certainly. Our store manager and the owner were told about 10 days ago. The only hints we got were statements like the A510 was discontinued... >Just to make it official... everyone was right except for me. :/ > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >been given the scoop so far in advance....its a good way to leak a >secret, certainly. Of course it was deliberate. It's called "Guerilla Marketing". I'm now waiting for B&H to list them. Then out with the old AMEX. ***************************************************** "Their shoulders held the sky suspended; They stood, and the earth's foundations stay; When God abandoned, these defended, And saved the sum of things for pay." "Epitaph on Army of Mercenaries" A.E. Houseman - 1914 > That said, does anyone think that the 'leak' was deliberate > surepticious marketing by Canon? That is blatantly obvious. There is probably not a single person with an interest in DSLR-cameras and with an Internet connection that at this point is not aware of Canon EOS 5D, its great features, and its price tag. That sort of audience penetration usually costs millions. Canon got it for free. > If this product release was really supposed to be secret, its > doubtful all the VARS/retailers would have been given the scoop so > far in advance....its a good way to leak a secret, certainly. They did something very similar to create a buzz around the EOS 20D, when they "accidently" put a product page with HQ images and specs on the web - then pulled the page after they'd made sure unpaid volunteers knew about it and had started spreading these all over the Internet. Canon marketing is very adept at guerrilla techniques. Signature- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kodak DCS460, Canon Powershot G5, Olympus 2020Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Just to make it official... everyone was right except for me. :/ > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >been given the scoop so far in advance....its a good way to leak a >secret, certainly. Not so. It is normal to release the information to magazine publishers about three to four weeks early so that the magazine issue which is published on or immediately after the day of the announcement can include details of the product. I was aware of the existence of the Canon .pdf document a whole week before I announced the Canon 5D on this newsgroup, and I understand that publishers had actually received it several days prior to that. > I was aware of the existence of the Canon .pdf document a whole week > before I announced the Canon 5D on this newsgroup, and I understand > that publishers had actually received it several days prior to that. Was that before or after you captured Osama Bin Laden while on assignment for National Geographic? Signaturehttp://www.pbase.com/bcbaird |
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