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raw challenge v.3.o

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pep - 08 Aug 2005 17:11 GMT
We have just started a new edition of our RAW challenge, just for fun.

What is the game about? Download the RAW file, postprocess it, retouch
it, boil it, add salt and pepper and finally show us what you have done
with it. Just for the fun of it.

You will find detailed instructions here:
http://www.foto-ceif.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=148&start=0&postdays=0&postorder
=asc&highlight
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See you there!
Paul Furman - 08 Aug 2005 17:45 GMT
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/raw-challenge>

> We have just started a new edition of our RAW challenge, just for fun.
>
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>
> See you there!

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Brian - 08 Aug 2005 18:41 GMT
So where's the description of the techniques you used?!  (I'm not
trying to be rude, it's just that the description of techniques, etc,
will be the most beneficial to those of us that can learn from this
competition!)

Thanks,

> <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/raw-challenge>
>
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> http://www.triteleia.com
> (415) 722-6037
Paul Furman - 08 Aug 2005 19:08 GMT
> So where's the description of the techniques you used?!  (I'm not
> trying to be rude, it's just that the description of techniques, etc,
> will be the most beneficial to those of us that can learn from this
> competition!)

Heh, sorry.. Using PS CS I slid the shadows all the way down & the
exposure way up 2.5 or something then processed again at zero shadow but
normal exposure and pasted that below then erased out the blown sky from
the first version with a large soft edged eraser. You can see the points
of the buildings are dark where I erased over them. I think I turned
down the saturation a bit also. That was a really extreme image, not easy.

> Thanks,
>
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>>http://www.triteleia.com
>>(415) 722-6037

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Brian - 08 Aug 2005 21:22 GMT
Thanks Paul!  Brian
Dave R knows who - 09 Aug 2005 00:25 GMT
>> So where's the description of the techniques you used?!  (I'm not
>> trying to be rude, it's just that the description of techniques, etc,
>> will be the most beneficial to those of us that can learn from this
>> competition!)
>
> Heh, sorry.. Using PS CS I slid the shadows all the way down & the

Any ideas as to why my Photoshop CS did not open this with the raw
converter?

I use PS CS it for all my Canon RAW with no such trouble.

But that 5.0MB RAW3.TIF file in PS CA just opens as a small thumbnail.

Thanks
Frank ess - 09 Aug 2005 02:04 GMT
>>> So where's the description of the techniques you used?!  (I'm not
>>> trying to be rude, it's just that the description of techniques,
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> But that 5.0MB RAW3.TIF file in PS CA just opens as a small
> thumbnail.

I right-clicked on the thumbnail and selected something that resulted
in a big ol' file on my disk.

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John A. Stovall - 09 Aug 2005 02:36 GMT
>>> So where's the description of the techniques you used?!  (I'm not
>>> trying to be rude, it's just that the description of techniques, etc,
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>
>But that 5.0MB RAW3.TIF file in PS CA just opens as a small thumbnail.

Have you spoken to Adobe support about this?

That would appear to be the place to start.

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jean - 09 Aug 2005 04:27 GMT
> >> So where's the description of the techniques you used?!  (I'm not
> >> trying to be rude, it's just that the description of techniques, etc,
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> Any ideas as to why my Photoshop CS did not open this with the raw
> converter?

The extention is ".tif", just remove that and the file will open correctly.

Jean

> I use PS CS it for all my Canon RAW with no such trouble.
>
> But that 5.0MB RAW3.TIF file in PS CA just opens as a small thumbnail.
>
> Thanks
JPS@no.komm - 09 Aug 2005 23:09 GMT
>Any ideas as to why my Photoshop CS did not open this with the raw
>converter?

Because it is misnamed.  Get rid of the ".tif" at the end, so that PS
knows it's a ".nef".
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Dave R knows who - 10 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT
>>Any ideas as to why my Photoshop CS did not open this with the raw
>>converter?
>
> Because it is misnamed.  Get rid of the ".tif" at the end, so that PS
> knows it's a ".nef".

Actually I tried that but my ACR for CS must be old. It opened fine with the
box version of Elements 3.0.
Brian - 08 Aug 2005 18:46 GMT
Oh, I should also say that I like the results!!
Frank ess - 08 Aug 2005 20:53 GMT
> <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/raw-challenge>
>
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>>
>> See you there!

http://www.fototime.com/544F33F7B2D22DD/orig.jpg

           Saved the original to PSD
           re-opened it as NEF
           cranked up the exposure and a little saturation
           saved as a PSD
           selected all, copied, pasted into the first PSD
           on the lightened layer, Magic Lassooed the sky, deleted it
           flattened image
           levels, curves, saturation to taste
           Gaussian blur 50%, 1.1, 4
           stair-step to size
           Save For Web at a quality to give file size ~=260K (~=74)

           I did one I liked better (changes in process after
"flatten") but I lost it in the save process ...

           --
           Frank ess
G.T. - 09 Aug 2005 00:51 GMT
> > <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/raw-challenge>
> >
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> >>
> >> You will find detailed instructions here:

http://www.foto-ceif.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=148&start=0&postdays=0&posto
rder=asc&highlight=

> >> See you there!
>
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>             I did one I liked better (changes in process after
> "flatten") but I lost it in the save process ...

I like the sky better in Frank's but the rest I like better in Paul's.

Greg
jean - 09 Aug 2005 04:36 GMT
> <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/raw-challenge>
> > >
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> > >>
> > >> You will find detailed instructions here:

http://www.foto-ceif.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=148&start=0&postdays=0&posto
> rder=asc&highlight=
> > >>
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>
> Greg

Frank's sky is very nice, I tried to putz around with Raw Shooter Essentials
but I don't have too much experience with RAW files.  The results were about
the same as the two presented, except for the sky but I found so much noise
in the picture I stopped trying.  Bravo to the experts.

Jean
Hunt - 09 Aug 2005 03:31 GMT
>We have just started a new edition of our RAW challenge, just for fun.
>
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>
>See you there!

Pep,

Sounds like fun, BUT, with M$ IE 6.0, I could not get the file to view/open. I
checked that NEF's would view, preview, and open in PS CS2, with latest Adobe
RC, but all I got was an "un-oh cannot view." Any other URLs for the file?

Hunt
Andy Dee - 09 Aug 2005 18:13 GMT
>We have just started a new edition of our RAW challenge, just for fun.
>
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>
>  

Hi Guys,
I only spent about 5 minutes on this using the Gimp under Linux.

http://www/fdj.org.uk/photos

Andy.
Paul Furman - 09 Aug 2005 18:43 GMT
>> We have just started a new edition of our RAW challenge, just for fun.
>>
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>
> http://www/fdj.org.uk/photos

Your link redirects to a blank page:
<http://www.browsercast.com/custom/branded-wwwcom/affiliatereporting/searchboxes/
searchstyle_www.html?action=search&afID=5589&keywords=%20fdj.org.uk%20photos
>

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nospam - 09 Aug 2005 20:03 GMT
> > Hi Guys,
> > I only spent about 5 minutes on this using the Gimp under Linux.
> >
> > http://www/fdj.org.uk/photos
>
> Your link redirects to a blank page:

not if you correct the obvious typo.

and your browser noticed that 'www' by itself was not a hostname and
subsequently did some sort of search on the whole string - that was not
a redirect.

> <http://www.browsercast.com/custom/branded-wwwcom/affiliatereporting/searchbox
> es/searchstyle_www.html?action=search&afID=5589&keywords=%20fdj.org.uk%20photos>
Andy Dee - 09 Aug 2005 21:09 GMT
>  
>
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>>es/searchstyle_www.html?action=search&afID=5589&keywords=%20fdj.org.uk%20photos>
>>    

Sorry folks, cant type...
www.fdj.org.uk/photos

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Brian - 10 Aug 2005 01:49 GMT
Here's mine...all the info is there.  Let me know what you think.  I
didn't do as good a job as I thought when I looked at the final...but
oh well.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3619684

> >>>Hi Guys,
> >>>I only spent about 5 minutes on this using the Gimp under Linux.
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>
> A
Paul Furman - 10 Aug 2005 05:00 GMT
> Here's mine...all the info is there.  Let me know what you think.  I
> didn't do as good a job as I thought when I looked at the final...but
> oh well.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3619684

Well I like this one. I resized them to match to compare and this one
has a lot more punch and balance. I don't see any explanation of your
methods. I found the saturated yellows strange & desaturated those out
but maybe a WB tweak could improve the situation.

Here's all of them, I'm linking to my second cooled down WB attempt:
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/raw-challenge&PG=1&PIC=1>
For this I just raw converted once & applied several curves, erasing out
with a broad brush in the sky, not trying to get anywhere close to the
building edges.

>>>>>Hi Guys,
>>>>>I only spent about 5 minutes on this using the Gimp under Linux.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>
>>A

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Brian - 10 Aug 2005 07:14 GMT
The description of the process is under the details link just below the
picture - sorry, I thought it showed up directly on the link :)  Thanks
for posting them all together!!

After seeing them all together, mine may be a bit too saturated...

I think this is really a great exercise that will probably help a lot
of people - we should do more!

Brian
Brian - 10 Aug 2005 07:26 GMT
I should also say that there's always a fine line when you're trying to
hold enought detail in the sky without making it look "fake" in
relation to what's underneath - and I don't know if I went to far :)  I
think maybe the foreground is a little too "punchy" in relation to the
sky - they look differently separately than they do all together.   In
my [limited] experience, this is one of the most difficult parts of
blending exposures!  

Brian
Brian - 10 Aug 2005 07:26 GMT
I should also say that there's always a fine line when you're trying to
hold enough detail in the sky without making it look "fake" in relation
to what's underneath - and I don't know if I went to far :)  I think
maybe the foreground is a little too "punchy" in relation to the sky -
they look differently separately than they do all together.   In my
[limited] experience, this is one of the most difficult parts of
blending exposures!  

Brian
Juan L - 10 Aug 2005 12:44 GMT
We would love to have your images in the RAW v3.0 gallery. You don't need to
register to upload your pics, if you don't want to. (but we would be really
happy if you join our little comunity)

You can see what other people have done with that RAW file here:

http://foto-ceif.com/cpg/thumbnails.php?album=45

Come on! We want to see your fantastic creations!
Brian - 11 Aug 2005 01:09 GMT
I added a more recent attempt.

http://foto-ceif.com/cpg/displayimage.php?album=45&pos=9

Brian
G.T. - 11 Aug 2005 01:19 GMT
> I added a more recent attempt.
>
> http://foto-ceif.com/cpg/displayimage.php?album=45&pos=9
>
> Brian

I don't know.  In this one it looks like the buildings are lit from a large
lightsource way to the left.  It looks unnatural.

Greg
Brian - 11 Aug 2005 17:03 GMT
Hmn...good point.  I said earlier that this would be the most difficult
part!!  :)

Brian

> > I added a more recent attempt.
> >
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> Greg
 
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