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Nikkor 70-300mm ED

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Mike Warren - 08 Aug 2005 05:46 GMT
Hi,

I have just been looking at the Nikkor 70-300 f4/5.6 ED my local
camera store and would like to know what other people who have
this lens think of it.

I compared it to the cheaper non-ED version and it is much better.
It's not quite as sharp as the 18-70 kit lens at 70mm.

I can't compare it to anything else at 300mm but nothing about the
pictures jumps out at me as being bad.

It would take me some time to save up for a more expensive lens
and this lens would fit in my camera bag.  (very important ) :-)

-Mike
Sheldon - 08 Aug 2005 21:44 GMT
> Hi,
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> -Mike

I'm not sure, but I think the cheaper lens has a plastic lens mount.  You
should probably check this as it would make a difference to me.  And there
have been several threads here that claim there is little difference between
the two lenses.  It is small and compact, but if you plan on using manual
focus a lot, neither lens has much to grab onto, compared to the kit lens.

BTW, I do not own either lens.  I use an older 80~200 with the single
focus/zoom ring.  I just use it in manual mode and it works great for me.
It is however much heavier and longer than the digital lenses.
Mike Warren - 08 Aug 2005 22:54 GMT
>> I have just been looking at the Nikkor 70-300 f4/5.6 ED my local
>> camera store and would like to know what other people who have
>> this lens think of it.

> I'm not sure, but I think the cheaper lens has a plastic lens mount. You should probably check
> this as it would make a difference to me. And there have been several threads here that claim
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> focus/zoom ring.  I just use it in manual mode and it works great for
> me. It is however much heavier and longer than the digital lenses.

The cheaper one is horrible. I wouldn't even consider it.  Much less
contrast and not as sharp. It also feels cheap.

Ken Rockwell bags the lens but he also says that both 70-300 lenses
are the same. You would have to be blind to not notice the difference.

Thom Hogan likes it.

I have read many opinions on the ED and it appears that a large
number of people that comment say things like "I've heard..." which
doesn't help. I get the impression by the wording of a lot of the comments
that they are just parroting Ken Rockwell.

Lots of people say the Sigma 70-300 is much better but I'm sceptical
since "lots of people" also say the Tamron 18-200 is good.

-Mike
Norm Dresner - 09 Aug 2005 00:25 GMT
>> I'm not sure, but I think the cheaper lens has a plastic lens mount. You
>> should probably check this as it would make a difference to me. And there
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> Lots of people say the Sigma 70-300 is much better but I'm sceptical
> since "lots of people" also say the Tamron 18-200 is good.

I own the Nikon 70-300 ED -- I've had it about a year and I love it.  No,
it's not the easiest lens in the world to use -- both my N90 and the D70
more frequently than not have trouble focusing in low light situations at
300mm (where it's f/5.6) but zooming it in to about 200, focusing, and then
zooming back out to 300 holds the focus every time.  But that's only in dim
light, in good light it focuses easily.  It's sharp.  The only other long
glass lens I've used was an ancient Sigma 70-210 for Minolta Manual Focus,
circa early 1980's and the Nikon beats it hands down.  I've also had the
Minolta Manual Focus 500mm mirror lens and it's a mirror lens, not
comparable to a lens with just glass.  Since my experience with long lenses
is limited, I can't really compare it to anything else.

But I've taken some spectacular not-quite-macro shots of wildlife at about
15' handheld and as long as the shutter speed is adequate, there's no
problem.  I've mostly shot with a D70 with that lens so I can't say much
about the sharpness at the edges of the film format, but the sharpness is
AFAICT uniform over the digital APS-sized sensor.  I've gotten great shots
at medium distances too.  At far distances like I encountered in the
Colorado and New Mexico Rockies, atmospheric haze is the limiting factor for
almost any lens.

   Norm
Mike Warren - 09 Aug 2005 01:53 GMT
> I own the Nikon 70-300 ED -- I've had it about a year and I love it. No, it's not the easiest lens
> in the world to use -- both my N90 and
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> distances like I encountered in the Colorado and New Mexico Rockies,
> atmospheric haze is the limiting factor for almost any lens.

Thanks for the info.

-Mike
Michael Benveniste - 10 Aug 2005 20:24 GMT
> I have just been looking at the Nikkor 70-300 f4/5.6 ED my local
> camera store and would like to know what other people who have
> this lens think of it.

I own one and use it in my lightweight travel kit.  It's a reasonably
good compromise of weight, optical performance and price.  But unless
you know and stay with its limits, you're going to be disappointed.

The first limit is aperture.  Few lenses are at their best wide open,
and this isn't one of them.  Plan on stopping down at least one stop,
preferably a bit more.

The second limit is camera shake.  The 70-300ED is fairly small and
light for its focal length, making handholding very tempting.  But
especially at the long end, you need shutter speeds of about 1/500th
or better to avoid obvious softness from shake.  When combined with
the need to stop down, this excludes shooting an EI of less than 200
except under perfect lighting conditions.

Nor does this lens doesn't have a tripod mount.  You can use the mount
on your camera, but that puts the center of gravity in the wrong place.
A light bean bag placed on top of the lens helps, but too much weight
and lens mount stress comes into play.

I feel these two factors account for much of the "long-end softness"
reported in reviews of the 70-300ED.  But my own shots with it and
a 300mm f/4 do show a little residual softness in the zoom even at
f/11.

The Tamron 70-300mm LD uses an extremely similar optical formula,
but permits focusing down to 1:2.  There have been persistent rumors
that Nikkor 70-300mm models are designed and/or built by Tamron, but
Nikon USA explicitly denied this.

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Mike Warren - 10 Aug 2005 22:40 GMT
>> I have just been looking at the Nikkor 70-300 f4/5.6 ED my local
>> camera store and would like to know what other people who have
>> this lens think of it.

> I own one and use it in my lightweight travel kit.  It's a reasonably
> good compromise of weight, optical performance and price.  But unless
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> that Nikkor 70-300mm models are designed and/or built by Tamron, but
> Nikon USA explicitly denied this.

Thanks for the information. I do understand the limitations but the cost
and size tip the balance for me.

-Mike
Mike Warren - 10 Aug 2005 22:40 GMT
>> I have just been looking at the Nikkor 70-300 f4/5.6 ED my local
>> camera store and would like to know what other people who have
>> this lens think of it.

> I own one and use it in my lightweight travel kit.  It's a reasonably
> good compromise of weight, optical performance and price.  But unless
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> that Nikkor 70-300mm models are designed and/or built by Tamron, but
> Nikon USA explicitly denied this.

Thanks for the information. I do understand the limitations but the cost
and size tip the balance for me.

-Mike
 
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