see those toys fly out the pram
>>And have you actually complained to eBay about multiple listing sellers?
>>(many are drop shippers...not crooks anyway).
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> of this kind of thing, but they don't care!
> -Rich
Siggy - 20 Jul 2005 13:00 GMT
> see those toys fly out the pram
and not a single dSLR among them. ;-)
Nigel_H
>>And have you actually complained to eBay about multiple listing sellers?
>>(many are drop shippers...not crooks anyway).
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>Ebay is a hole. It's rife with fraud, shill bidding, crank deals,
>illegal sale of merchandise and Ebay could care less.
Really? Can you cite at least one specific example, and perhaps some
suggestions for how we can avoid these paskudnyaks.
>Of course, the sleaze who run Ebay will NEVER divulge
>the level of this kind of thing in print, although anyone who takes
>the time can see it. Anyone who has done any level of deals on Ebay
How can we detect it?
>has seen it. Even seller/buyer ratings mean nothing because
>if you get burned, post a complaint comment, the other party can do it
>right back and there is nothing to stop them. Which means the crooks
>get off scott free.
Today they just announced record earnings. So they must be crying all
the way to the bank.
>-Rich
RichA - 21 Jul 2005 18:43 GMT
>>>And have you actually complained to eBay about multiple listing sellers?
>>>(many are drop shippers...not crooks anyway).
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>Really? Can you cite at least one specific example, and perhaps some
>suggestions for how we can avoid these paskudnyaks.
I know of one case of shill bidding in the amount of $18,000 for a
car, but I won't say who. The problem is proving it, the other party
could very well claim they were interested in the product, they just
didn't win the bidding. How can you attack it?
Also, there have been noted cases of people selling things like Canon
20Ds for $500 and I'm sure we put lots of stock into the legitimacy of
those. Check out the DVDs for people selling DVD-Rs of popular movies.
I somehow doubt it's legal.
>>Of course, the sleaze who run Ebay will NEVER divulge
>>the level of this kind of thing in print, although anyone who takes
>>the time can see it. Anyone who has done any level of deals on Ebay
>
>How can we detect it?
Bounce back and forth between the seller and who has bought from
him before. Look for lots of bids on an item from accounts that were
just set up and have no history. It's obviously not a guaranteed way
of ferreting out the frauds, but it allows you to avoid some that may
be more obvious than others.
I think the key indicator of any fraud is someone selling something
for vastly less than others are, why would someone give something away
when that item's history dictates it will bring much more?
Keep and eye on the "buy it now" prices.
>>has seen it. Even seller/buyer ratings mean nothing because
>>if you get burned, post a complaint comment, the other party can do it
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>Today they just announced record earnings. So they must be crying all
>the way to the bank.
They do very well, and they do not want to rock the boat
when it comes to their image so don't expect any divulging of fraud
figures.
-Rich
>>-Rich