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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / July 2005Ideal DSLR
I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow dynamic range. I am finally achieving a systematic approach to avoiding blown highlights. Still, I want a better camera. I want a camera with wider exposure latitude than the 10D. Latitude along the lines of a decent quality slide film would be plenty; latitude similar to that of color negative film would be even better, but not necessary. Battery life should be improved. As it stands now, my film cameras require one set of batteries and five rolls of film for a good day of shooting; my 10D requires just one 2GB CF card, but about five fully charged batteries. A full-frame sensor, though not absolutely necessary, would certainly be a welcome feature. A sensor somewhere in the vicinity of 8-10 megapixels would be sufficient for my needs. I would also want all this in a camera the size of the 10D. I could get most of what I am looking for in a 1Ds, but I don't want to lug an anchor around all day. The 10D seems to have enough heft to give it a quality feel without being prohibitively cumbersome. I imagine that the camera I'm looking fo will become available as the successor to whatever camera succeeds the 20D. Oh, one last thing - the camera should cost less than $1500 USD. Michael > I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, > because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > successor to whatever camera succeeds the 20D. Oh, one last thing - > the camera should cost less than $1500 USD. I agree with most of that. I'm using a Pentax *istD now, and will probably stick with Pentax, but I hope...next time out of the box, maybe...they use a full frame (or nearly so) 12 MP sensor; keep the four AA batteries (I get about 700 to 800 shots per charge right now, or I can drop in the CV3s(?) and get 1400 or more, though the cost of 18 bucks with tax hurts my Scots ancestors); increase size of the jog switch; add a changeable focusing screen and come out with split image and grainier screens; leave the size as is, though it's not all that important to me; keep the Compact Flash card use. Ditch the on-camera flash. Add larger strap lugs. >I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, > because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Michael I'm also a 10D user, I don't consider the 20D a cost effective upgrade (others may). At present my choice would be the 1D MkII but too expensive at present. I'd like to see the digital equivalent of the EOS3, good metering incl multi spot, good AF with many points etc in a 'no-pro' body. Maybe the 30D or 40D (or what ever follows the 20D) or maybe the 1D MkIII / IV will be cost effective. >I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, > because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Michael Indeed, it sounds like you should wait for the 20D successor. I have the grip on my 20D, and I've filled a 2G and most of a 1G at one sitting without changing batteries, my wife has done the same with hers with no grip, and got into a second battery. In fact, since you say a full frame sensor isn't absolutely necessary, the 20D is there, now. I'm not sure why your 10D would use that much battery. We both use IS lenses most of the time, or did in the instances mentioned.  SignatureSkip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com Can the 10D be outfitted with a battery grip? That would solve one of your problems at least ~J > Indeed, it sounds like you should wait for the 20D successor. I have the > grip on my 20D, and I've filled a 2G and most of a 1G at one sitting without [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm not sure why your 10D would use that much battery. We both use IS > lenses most of the time, or did in the instances mentioned. Yes, it can... SignatureSkip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com > Can the 10D be outfitted with a battery grip? That would solve one of your > problems at least [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> I'm not sure why your 10D would use that much battery. We both use IS >> lenses most of the time, or did in the instances mentioned. > I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, > because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Michael I don't know how well FujiFilm's S3 doing in real life, but it's Super CCD SR used in dSLR has low sensitive sensors mixed in large sensors to capture highlights. I don't know what is the difference between SR and HR. But I think the HR is used in P&S cameras with some large sensors mixed in the normal small sensors to increase ISO. > I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, > because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > successor to whatever camera succeeds the 20D. Oh, one last thing - > the camera should cost less than $1500 USD. I love my 10D. But it sounds like you're shooting JPGs. Try RAW and you'll have much better luck. >I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, >because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow >dynamic range. I am finally achieving a systematic approach to >avoiding blown highlights. Still, I want a better camera. > >I want a camera with wider exposure latitude than the 10D. The 10D's exposure latitude is about the same as any other DSLR at ISO 100; it is limited by the standard 12-bit digitization, and noise is a small player at ISO 100. The problem with the 10D is that it meters with an implicit +2/3 exposure compensation, above and beyond what the EC setting of the camera is. When you set it to ISO 100, it is metering for ISO 64. So, when you get that white fluffy cloud, or that bright white shirt or blouse, or egret, against a mostly darker background, they will blow out. You should use negative exposure compensation when you have such scenes. Also. if you shoot JPEG only, you should decrease the contrast setting. At -2, you get almost an extra stop of highlights in the JPEG. >Latitude >along the lines of a decent quality slide film would be plenty; It's already there, you just have to know how to find it. >latitude similar to that of color negative film would be even better, That would require a high-quality 16-bit digitization in the camera. I don't know when we'll see that. Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:10:49 -0700, michael.j.hoffman wrote: > I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, > because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow dynamic [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > successor to whatever camera succeeds the 20D. Oh, one last thing - the > camera should cost less than $1500 USD. Unitl such time as such a camera exists, you'll have to do what film photographers have had to do all along: shoot when the scene contrast matches (or is less than) the film's contrast range or modify the scene contrast by using scrims, gobos or fill flash. But I think it's going to be a long time before a such a DSLR exists, if ever. And is reasonably affordable. After all, photography is and always has been a series of compromises, whether it's the art itself or the hardware. Stefan >A full-frame sensor, though not absolutely necessary, would >certainly be a welcome feature. I've never seen anything magical about the 35mm frame size, so as long as I can get the quality I need and the angles of view I want, any ol' sensor size is fine with me. > Battery life should be improved. If you wish to become as rich as Bill Gates, all you have to do is figure out a way to quadruple battery energy density at even double the cost of current technology. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:10:49 -0700, michael.j.hoffman wrote: > I have a Canon EOS 10D, which I am slowly learning to love. Slowly, > because it has taken me two years to learn to deal with the narrow dynamic [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Michael My ideal DSLR looks and feels exactly the same as a Nikon F100. It should have a full frame sensor and a 100m wireless transmission capability built in. It should also be able to meter with every Nikon lens ever made. As another poster points out, higher dynamic range can be achieved with the Fujifilm S2 and S3 due to their unique sensor design. This would cover a lot more than slide film latitude ... more like negative. However, AFAIK, Fujifilm cameras are only available with a Nikon mount. Cheers, Alan > As another poster points out, higher dynamic range can be achieved > with the Fujifilm S2 and S3 due to their unique sensor design. This > would cover a lot more than slide film latitude ... more like > negative. It would be interesting to see if this really were the case. The dpreview.com test at http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms3pro/page18.asp suggests that it might be, but a real 16-bit linear comparison (with no NR applied!) is needed to know for sure. Andrew. |
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