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Dave Devine - 02 Jan 2005 20:32 GMT

Happy New Year!

I have the chance to get an istD for the same price as the istDs. I know
that the istD has the advantage of hyper mode, but does the istDs offer
any advantages that would offset this?

Thanks for you input,

Dave

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John Francis - 02 Jan 2005 21:18 GMT

>Happy New Year!
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>Dave

From memory:

o Larger rear LCD screen

o Much better ergonomic design of the 4-way/OK switch

o USB 2.0 connection

o Better options for review (instant histogram, over-exposure indication)

Plus several more "gimmick" options (in-camera digital filters,
multiple different auto-program modes, etc.)

None of these, *for me*, would overcome the biggest drawback of
the *ist-DS; only a single control wheel (so in manual exposure
mode you have to push a button as well as turn a wheel to set
one of the parameters). I have been a big fan of the Pentax
Hyper-Program mode ever since I got a PZ-1p, and was very glad
to see it on the *ist-D. My camera spends most of its time in
either Hyper-Program or Manual exposure mode, so I look for a
camera that fits my style of shooting.

There's also a suggestion that the last-mentioned *ist-DS plus,
the improved review capabilities, may be addressed in a firmware
upgrade to the *ist-D. I'm not sure I believe that, but it is
at least a theoretical possibility.

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Gaderian - 02 Jan 2005 22:11 GMT

>> Happy New Year!
>> I have the chance to get an istD for the same price as the istDs. I
>> know that the istD has the advantage of hyper mode, but does the
>> istDs offer any advantages that would offset this?
>> Thanks for you input,
>> Dave

> From memory:
> o Larger rear LCD screen
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> upgrade to the *ist-D. I'm not sure I believe that, but it is
> at least a theoretical possibility.

Go here: http://www.steves-digicams.com/cameras_digpro.html
to compare the both.

I have the *st D and it suits my needs qutie nicely.
The *ist DS uses SD cards as opposed to the *ist D that uses CF cards and
Micro Drives. I bought the battery grip that not only let you add 4 more
batteries but also because it fits better in my hands. I'm not sure if it
fits on the DS. If had was offered the *istD for the same price of the DS,
I'd go for the D.

My 2 cents.

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Darrell - 02 Jan 2005 21:40 GMT

> Happy New Year!
>
> I have the chance to get an istD for the same price as the istDs. I know
> that the istD has the advantage of hyper mode, but does the istDs offer
> any advantages that would offset this?

You can go to http://www.dpreview.com and use their side-by-side comparison
chart. Several features on the DS are improvements.

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Dave Devine - 02 Jan 2005 22:07 GMT

> > Happy New Year!
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> You can go to http://www.dpreview.com and use their side-by-side comparison
> chart. Several features on the DS are improvements.

Hi Darrell,

I thought of that after posting. I guess I have to decide whether I
would actually make much use of the features on the D missing on the DS,
i.e. additional stored user settings, WB, etc. John Francis pointed out
the larger screen and better review/histogram features on the DS.

All in all not a bad dilemma to be facing.

Dave

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Darrell - 02 Jan 2005 23:03 GMT

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> All in all not a bad dilemma to be facing.

The DS is not very stripped compared to the Digital Rebel vs. 10D. I use the
PC sync terminal (isolated) when I use studio flash.

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Roland Karlsson - 02 Jan 2005 22:04 GMT

dave_devine@spamcop.net (Dave Devine) wrote in news:1gps68u.1540e5k7u3u9gN%
dave_devine@spamcop.net:

> I have the chance to get an istD for the same price as the istDs. I know
> that the istD has the advantage of hyper mode, but does the istDs offer
> any advantages that would offset this?

There are several advantages with DS.
Look at dpreview.

But - as far as I understand - the DS is designed for
more causial use. This means some irritating stuff
where you have added program modes instead of more
serious handling. The bright mode is one such stupid
thing. It might look better when printing small
pictures directly from the camera - but it destroys
all serious usage of the picture.

/Roland

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Dave Devine - 02 Jan 2005 22:11 GMT

> dave_devine@spamcop.net (Dave Devine) wrote in news:1gps68u.1540e5k7u3u9gN%
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> /Roland

Hi Roland,

That is another aspect that I have to consider - the D gives me more
room to "grow", but the DS with its picture modes may be enough. I have
been happily taking photos with a Canon Pro70 - I just miss the
telephoto capability I have with my ME-Super (thus the interest in a
istD or DS).

Dave

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Roland Karlsson - 03 Jan 2005 18:22 GMT

dave_devine@spamcop.net (Dave Devine) wrote in news:1gpsb07.k32qvilv4g14N%
dave_devine@spamcop.net:

> That is another aspect that I have to consider - the D gives me more
> room to "grow", but the DS with its picture modes may be enough. I have
> been happily taking photos with a Canon Pro70 - I just miss the
> telephoto capability I have with my ME-Super (thus the interest in a
> istD or DS).

That is probably right. Somewhat irritating for me though.
I plan to buy an ist DS. But frankly - I am an oldie that just
hates when you add we-have-thought-for-you-program-nonsens
when photography technically really is much simpler than that.

If I set my Canon G2 in panorama mode (which is a reasonable mode
as otherwise you must expose manually and turn off white balance)
then most of the settings from program mode is removed, e.g metering
mode and raw format.

What the #?%?#? has panorama mode to do with any other settings
than locking exposure and white balance during all pictures?
And why the ?%?#? does not panorama mode work in portrait mode?
Why not remove this #?%?#?%? toy mode from a serious camera,
or do it right if you add it?

/Roland

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