Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / July 2005
Newbee Questions re: ISO and Shooting Modes
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Sidney Friedman - 10 Jul 2005 21:26 GMT My wife bought me a Nikon D70s digital camera for my birthday and I am slowly going through the learning curve. However, I do have two questions at this time.
First, I understand the principle of the ISO setting, e.g., low light-higher ISO & vice versa. But, for everyday picture taking is it best to manually set the ISO according to the shooting conditions, or as some recommend the lowest possible ISO, or is it safe to set ISO on "Automatic"? Does Automatic ISO work well?
Secondly, what is the real difference between (A)"Automatic" and (P) "Program modes? They both control shutter and aperture settings. The only difference I know of is that in "P" mode the flash will not go off unless you raise the flash while in "A" mode the flash always goes off.
TIA for your input.
Alan Browne - 10 Jul 2005 22:10 GMT > First, I understand the principle of the ISO setting, e.g., low light-higher > ISO & vice versa. But, for everyday picture taking is it best to manually > set the ISO according to the shooting conditions, or as some recommend the > lowest possible ISO, or is it safe to set ISO on "Automatic"? Does > Automatic ISO work well? In most cases, yes. OTOH just set it to 200 for most 'bright light' areas and 400 or 800 for dim light and you'll cover most of what most casual shooters need. If it's really dim, then go to 1600. How do you know it's really dim? When you get really long shutter speeds.
> Secondly, what is the real difference between (A)"Automatic" and (P) > "Program modes? They both control shutter and aperture settings. The only > difference I know of is that in "P" mode the flash will not go off unless > you raise the flash while in > "A" mode the flash always goes off. "A" means "Aperture priority" in which you choose the aperture (to control depth of field) and the camera calculates the shutter speed based on the meter reading (and meter mode). Use the lens aperture dial or the rear control dial to set the desired aperture with the "A" selected. In "P" mode the dial will reduce or increase the camera selected aperture (and speed as a consequence) according to the meter reading.
(On the D70s, the mode dial has an "Auto" as well as an "A" mode (MASP block. P11 of manual). The "A" is aperture priority.)
This is the semi-automatic metering mode used by most photogs for most cases.
Cheers, Alan
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Sidney Friedman - 10 Jul 2005 22:58 GMT Thanks for your reply Alan. Is Automatic ISO reliable for average picture taking? Also, the "A" mode I am referring to is the"Automatic" mode not "Aperature" mode. Is "Automatic" mode reliable for average picture taking? I know this is the lazy way but, why not?
> > First, I understand the principle of the ISO setting, e.g., low light-higher > > ISO & vice versa. But, for everyday picture taking is it best to manually [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Cheers, > Alan Paul Mitchum - 10 Jul 2005 23:32 GMT > Is "Automatic" mode reliable for average picture taking? I know this is > the lazy way but, why not? Automatic mode is, almost literally, the average way to take pictures. The camera averages out what it thinks are highlights and shadows to figure an exposure, and does the same for focus.
If that's not what you need, then you'll know not to use it. :-)
Sometimes full-auto is the best way to go, if you trust your camera.
Sidney Friedman - 10 Jul 2005 23:38 GMT P.S. Which is best, "Program Mode" or "Automatic Mode"?
> Thanks for your reply Alan. Is Automatic ISO reliable for average picture > taking? Also, the "A" mode I am referring to is the"Automatic" mode not [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Cheers, > > Alan Bob - 11 Jul 2005 01:16 GMT >P.S. Which is best, "Program Mode" or "Automatic Mode"? Program mode is best.... you have more options, such as choosing to use the flash. I think the various other settings have increased capability as well, such as faster shutter speeds then in auto. Read the book...
There are other things as well, such as the little wheel by your thumb... you can use it to pick other settings that may suit the picture better, such as a higher F number to get more depth, or a faster shutter speed to capture action. The exposure remains automatically good!
Learn to use it... then you can turn on the other wheel and make creative decisions...
Ben Rosengart - 11 Jul 2005 06:36 GMT > P.S. Which is best, "Program Mode" or "Automatic Mode"? Automatic mode has the camera make all sorts of decisions for you. On my camera, it even decides that I'll use JPEGs instead of RAW. To my mind, if you have time for Usenet, you probably have time to make decisions like that for yourself, and figure out how to tell the camera what to do. So I recommend Program, or better yet, Aperture Priority, where you tell the camera what f-stop you want and it calculates an appropriate shutter speed.
The only disadvantage of Program and Aperture Priority modes on my Canon DSLR, as far as I'm concerned, is that the camera insists on leaving ISO to the user. I'd like to have an option to set the aperture and the minimum shutter speed, and let the camera set the ISO accordingly.
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Ben Rosengart - 11 Jul 2005 06:39 GMT >> P.S. Which is best, "Program Mode" or "Automatic Mode"? > [...] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > aperture and the minimum shutter speed, and let the camera set the > ISO accordingly. I see from another article that you have the D70. I *think* that means that you have the option I wish for, or something similar.
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David Littlewood - 11 Jul 2005 01:30 GMT >> First, I understand the principle of the ISO setting, e.g., low light-higher >> ISO & vice versa. But, for everyday picture taking is it best to manually [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >casual shooters need. If it's really dim, then go to 1600. How do you >know it's really dim? When you get really long shutter speeds. It's worth adding that the effect of camera shake - caused by using too low a shutter speed - is usually far more deleterious to a photo than a little grain from using too high a sensitivity.
>> Secondly, what is the real difference between (A)"Automatic" and >>(P) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >This is the semi-automatic metering mode used by most photogs for most >cases. Actually I tend to use Tv (shutter priority) at least as often as Av (aperture priority), though if you are using either actively (i.e. looking at the values before each shot and tweaking to suit) it makes little difference.
Sidney - what you may or may not have seen is the approximate guideline for shutter speeds. The common recommendation is to use a shutter speed of 1/focal length of lens or faster. That is, for a lens at 50mm, use 1/50 or 1/60 sec. I would suggest that where possible you try to go at least one stop faster, say 1/125 in the above example. Whatever setting you use on the camera, it is important - to get good results consistently - to watch what it is proposing to do, and override it if necessary. That is why most experienced SLR users prefer to use the semi-auto Tv and Av modes rather than full auto P mode or - worse - the convenience modes like sport, landscape etc (sometimes called "idiot modes" by the uncharitable). With these it is much harder (or impossible) to see exactly what the camera is doing. Of course, for a real beginner, who does not have the knowledge on what to do instead, they give a better result than he might get by guessing, but to get best results aim to move on once you have got familiar with the camera.
David
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DoN. Nichols - 11 Jul 2005 04:56 GMT >My wife bought me a Nikon D70s digital camera for my birthday and I am >slowly going through the learning curve. However, I do have two questions [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >lowest possible ISO, or is it safe to set ISO on "Automatic"? Does >Automatic ISO work well? I guess that it depends on the type of photos you take. If you are planning carefully set up photos, with everything managed, then you may want to manually control the ISO. If you want to be able to do quick shots before something photograpically good goes away, I would keep it on automatic. (I do that, and it does an excellent job of selecting the minimum ISO needed to take the photo within the limits of the set minimum shutter speed.
>Secondly, what is the real difference between (A)"Automatic" and (P) >"Program modes? They both control shutter and aperture settings. The only >difference I know of is that in "P" mode the flash will not go off unless >you raise the flash while in >"A" mode the flash always goes off. Other differences:
1) In [A]uto mode, the autofocus will select among the five focus zones whichever is the closest. Sometimes this is what you may want, other times it is not. In [P]rogram mode, The autofocus zone will stay wherever you selected it. You can use the tilting poker chip to move the zone around on the display, unless you have the switch just below it set to 'L' (lock). I tend to keep the autofocus zone in the center and the switch on 'L' most of the time.
2) In [P] mode, you can use the two wheels (thumb and finger) to adjust either the shutter speed or the aperture, and the other will change to track it and maintain the correct exposure, allowing you trade off motion stopping shutter speeds against decreased depth of field, to isolate one plane in your photo, or to maximize the zone in acceptable focus.
In [A]uto mode, you are in "Father Camera knows best" land, and you can't change any of those.
3) As you noticed, in [P] mode, you get flash only if you personally opt to pop up the flash (or put an external flash on the hot shoe). There are times when I will take a natural light photo, and then pop up the flash and follow it up with a flash shot of the same subject. Sometimes one looks nicer, sometimes the other. If you stick in [A]uto mode, you don't get that choice, because again "Father Camera knows best". :-)
Note that I am careful to complete the spelling of "[A]uto", to avoid confusing it with the other "[A]" setting "Aperture preferred".
There are probably other differences between the two modes, but these are the ones which I notice in normal operation. I almost *never* have the camera in [A]uto mode. [P] does what I want, and allows me to make fine choices most of the time. I do also go to [M]anual mode from time to time -- most often for the lenses which are too old to have a CPU and to work with the TTL metering.
If you are going to use [A]uto mode, the only thing that distinguishes your camera from a Point-and-Shoot camera is that you have the option to change lenses. Everything else is taken out of your hands, and put in the camera's hands.
I would suggest that you play with [P] mode, and see what you can get by playing with the values that the camera lets you adjust. For example, the effect of depth of field as you change the aperture, and the change in the ability to stop motion with varying shutter speeds. (And, there are times when you *want* some motion blur in parts of your photos, to keep them from looking too static.
Now to see what points others have made.
Enjoy, DoN.
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