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Re: Canon Eos 1 DS Mark 2 ??

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Abheet Gidwani - 04 Jul 2005 10:33 GMT
HI
I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
was wondeing since this is a 16.7 megapixel camera what are the chances of
canon introducing a newer model maybe like an 18 or 20 megapixel  in the next
4-6 months ??

any information will be appricaited .

thanks
Skip M - 04 Jul 2005 12:36 GMT
> HI
> I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> thanks

Pretty strong, since Mamiya, Hasselblad and Pentax have already announced
22mp cameras with larger sensors than the Canon.  I believe the Hassy has
been released, too, but I may be wrong on that.
Of course, they are a bit more expensive than the Canon, about $10,000US...

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Skip M - 04 Jul 2005 20:55 GMT
For some reason, I read "Canon" as "anyone."  The likelihood of Canon
introducing a camera with more than 16.7 mp is pretty slim, it's still
fairly new on the market.
As far as introducing a camera with slightly fewer pixels, but at a lower
cost, that remains to be seen, but it's a hot one on the grapevine, right
now...

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Tom Scales - 04 Jul 2005 21:38 GMT
> For some reason, I read "Canon" as "anyone."  The likelihood of Canon
> introducing a camera with more than 16.7 mp is pretty slim, it's still
> fairly new on the market.
> As far as introducing a camera with slightly fewer pixels, but at a lower
> cost, that remains to be seen, but it's a hot one on the grapevine, right
> now...

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 1DMkIII.  There's a gap from 8mp to 16mp
that the D2X sits in, at the price point of Canon's 8mp.

A 12mp sensor at that price point would be a good competitor for the D2X,
particularly at a 1.3ish factor.

Tom
Abheet G - 05 Jul 2005 21:08 GMT
hassy with a slr ??

>> HI
>> I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>been released, too, but I may be wrong on that.
>Of course, they are a bit more expensive than the Canon, about $10,000US...
Abheet G - 05 Jul 2005 21:11 GMT
i mean 35mm

>>> HI
>>> I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
>[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>been released, too, but I may be wrong on that.
>>Of course, they are a bit more expensive than the Canon, about $10,000US...
Skip M - 06 Jul 2005 02:35 GMT
Nope, read the rest of the post, "larger sensors than the Canon."

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> i mean 35mm
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>>Of course, they are a bit more expensive than the Canon, about
>>>$10,000US...
Scott W - 04 Jul 2005 16:31 GMT
> HI
>  I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
> was wondeing since this is a 16.7 megapixel camera what are the chances of
> canon introducing a newer model maybe like an 18 or 20 megapixel  in the next
> 4-6 months ??

Since the 1Ds Mark II has only been on the market for about half a year
I would be surprised if they replaced it in the next 4 to 6 months. The
other thing that is not clear is what all improvements that might make
on the next model, the number of pixels is only part of what make a
good camera. For example it would be very nice if they made a camera
with all the capabilities of the 1Ds Mark II but was not quite as huge,
or maybe add in a live preview mode, or image stabilization build it to
the camera.  The points is that one should not just look at the number
of pixels as being what makes a good camera.  My guess is we will see
Canon address some of this other issues in the next 1Ds model, and we
may or may not see an increase in the number of pixels.

Scott
Darrell - 04 Jul 2005 21:25 GMT
>> HI
>>  I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Canon address some of this other issues in the next 1Ds model, and we
> may or may not see an increase in the number of pixels.

Again the live preview, which isn't offered in any dSLR, and for a reason
too! It can't be done, I guess people really want a EVF like a gloried Canon
Pro1
Scott W - 04 Jul 2005 22:58 GMT
> >> HI
> >>  I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> too! It can't be done, I guess people really want a EVF like a gloried Canon
> Pro1

Sure it can be done, in fact Canon did it with a version of the 20D I
believe.

Scott
Darrell - 04 Jul 2005 23:12 GMT
>> >> HI
>> >>  I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Sure it can be done, in fact Canon did it with a version of the 20D I
> believe.

Sorry you are wrong. The 20Da has a focus assist live view only during
exposure. This is for astro photography which can have exposures in the
hours.
David Littlewood - 05 Jul 2005 19:08 GMT
>>> >> HI
>>> >>  I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>exposure. This is for astro photography which can have exposures in the
>hours.

This seems to be true - though the Canon datasheet for the 20Da is not
entirely clear on this point.

The fact is, however, that it could be done quite easily for any DSLR if
the manufacturer wanted to do it, by slightly adapting the sensor
cleaning mode. It would be incredibly useful for macro work and
photomicrography, but unfortunately it seems that these activities do
not have enough "mass market" appeal to justify the extra few
dollars/pounds it would cost.

When I first saw the details of the 20Da, I thought it would be the
solution. Alas, it seems not.

David
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Tony Polson - 04 Jul 2005 16:43 GMT
>HI
> I have been consedering buying the canon eos1ds mark 2  for a while.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>any information will be appricaited .

If 16.7 MP is enough for your photography, why would it matter if
Canon brought out a model with more pixels?
Marek M. \ - 04 Jul 2005 16:53 GMT
Tony Polson napisał(a):
> If 16.7 MP is enough for your photography, why would it matter if
> Canon brought out a model with more pixels?
yeah... f.ck the pixes... they are not the real resolution!
pfff and what if Canon annouces a 2gigapixel camera.... geee forget
about it, buy an equipment which satisfy you - and go take pictures...
not talk on newsgroups about prophecies and pffff imgainations..

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Abheet G - 05 Jul 2005 21:03 GMT
sure the pixels dont matter .. i only asked that question  consedring that
they (canon)are quiet capable of doing so .. so instead of investing in
something in the next 4 months i wouls like to in the latest model ao that
all the bugs in the current one are taken care off.

>Tony Polson napisał(a):
>> If 16.7 MP is enough for your photography, why would it matter if
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>about it, buy an equipment which satisfy you - and go take pictures...
>not talk on newsgroups about prophecies and pffff imgainations..
Tony Polson - 05 Jul 2005 21:45 GMT
>sure the pixels dont matter .. i only asked that question  consedring that
>they (canon)are quiet capable of doing so .. so instead of investing in
>something in the next 4 months i wouls like to in the latest model ao that
>all the bugs in the current one are taken care off.

What bugs?
Abheet G - 06 Jul 2005 08:33 GMT
if any in the present model....

>>sure the pixels dont matter .. i only asked that question  consedring that
>>they (canon)are quiet capable of doing so .. so instead of investing in
>>something in the next 4 months i wouls like to in the latest model ao that
>>all the bugs in the current one are taken care off.
>
>What bugs?
Tony Polson - 06 Jul 2005 10:23 GMT
>if any in the present model....

You can be assured ... there aren't any.  If there were any, they
would have been corrected before now.

If this is the level of your product knowledge, perhaps you should
consider buying something cheaper.
Abheet Gidwani - 07 Jul 2005 09:52 GMT
the reason  i havent bought it as yet is perhaps my product knowledge is a
lil weak ... so i asked.. thanks anyways.

>>if any in the present model....
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>If this is the level of your product knowledge, perhaps you should
>consider buying something cheaper.
Tony Polson - 07 Jul 2005 12:31 GMT
>the reason  i havent bought it as yet is perhaps my product knowledge is a
>lil weak ... so i asked.. thanks anyways.

Perhaps you should start with a beginner's camera, such as the Canon
EOS 350D (Rebel RT) or Nikon D70, and work upwards from there.
Abheet G - 07 Jul 2005 22:19 GMT
i already own a canon 20 d .. i was looking foward to upgrade to the canon
eos 1ds mark 2

>>the reason  i havent bought it as yet is perhaps my product knowledge is a
>>lil weak ... so i asked.. thanks anyways.
>
>Perhaps you should start with a beginner's camera, such as the Canon
>EOS 350D (Rebel RT) or Nikon D70, and work upwards from there.
Scott W - 07 Jul 2005 23:34 GMT
> i already own a canon 20 d .. i was looking foward to upgrade to the canon
> eos 1ds mark 2

There is a lot to like about the 1Ds Mark 2, but out of curiosity what
are you looking for that the 20D is not giving you?

Scott
Abheet Gidwani - 08 Jul 2005 09:25 GMT
well i am considering the 1dsmark2 mainly because i am going to be shooting
sills for a feature film .. and with the 20 d  i am afraid i will not be able
to make as many blow ups because of the resolution ..as the film publicity
posters wiould require larger files.

>> i already own a canon 20 d .. i was looking foward to upgrade to the canon
>> eos 1ds mark 2
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Scott
G.T. - 08 Jul 2005 16:30 GMT
> well i am considering the 1dsmark2 mainly because i am going to be shooting
> sills for a feature film .. and with the 20 d  i am afraid i will not be able
> to make as many blow ups because of the resolution ..as the film publicity
> posters wiould require larger files.

You're going to be shooting window sills for a feature film and you can't
even write or post properly?  Damn, the film industry must be dropping their
standards.

Greg
Frank ess - 08 Jul 2005 17:18 GMT
>> well i am considering the 1dsmark2 mainly because i am going to be
>> shooting sills for a feature film .. and with the 20 d  i am afraid
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Greg

sh
Abheet G - 08 Jul 2005 19:44 GMT
u got a problem greg?
look at what u have written ..
just a peice of advice .. raise your standards by not getting so god damn
literal
cheers!

>> well i am considering the 1dsmark2 mainly because i am going to be shooting
>> sills for a feature film .. and with the 20 d  i am afraid i will not be able
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Greg
Abheet G - 08 Jul 2005 19:52 GMT
peice of  S$%T
>> well i am considering the 1dsmark2 mainly because i am going to be shooting
>> sills for a feature film .. and with the 20 d  i am afraid i will not be able
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Greg
G.T. - 08 Jul 2005 20:22 GMT
> peice of  S$%T

Keep digging your own hole.  Maybe someday you'll figure out how to use
Usenet.  Or maybe not.

Greg
Abheet G - 08 Jul 2005 21:41 GMT
you sound so frustrated .. ill leave you to your misery. ENJOY !

>> peice of  S$%T
>
>Keep digging your own hole.  Maybe someday you'll figure out how to use
>Usenet.  Or maybe not.
>
>Greg
Abheet Gidwani - 08 Jul 2005 09:28 GMT
hey tony

i already own a canon 20 d.. now i need to know wether i should upgrade to a
120 film format or stick to digital.. very confused .. please suggest ..

>>the reason  i havent bought it as yet is perhaps my product knowledge is a
>>lil weak ... so i asked.. thanks anyways.
>
>Perhaps you should start with a beginner's camera, such as the Canon
>EOS 350D (Rebel RT) or Nikon D70, and work upwards from there.
Scott W - 08 Jul 2005 16:01 GMT
> hey tony
>
> i already own a canon 20 d.. now i need to know wether i should upgrade to a
> 120 film format or stick to digital.. very confused .. please suggest ..

I am a huge fan of digital cameras, but unless you are going to be
shooting  a lot of stills for movies posters a MF camera would be more
cost effective.  The 1Ds Mark 2 will be in many ways a lot easier to
use and avoids the need to scan the film later, but it has a pretty
high price tag, as you well

Scott
 
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