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How Nikon Is Really Doing

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Walt Hanks - 04 Jul 2005 03:11 GMT
A lot of rumors and speculation regarding sales and market share loss have
been floating about.  Here's the data straight from Nikon's investor
relations site.

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/business_info/imaging.htm

For March, 2005, Nikon had projected sales of 6,600,000 digital cameras so
far in fiscal 2005, up from 5,400,000 for the same period in fiscal 2004.
They project 20% growth in 2006.  Lens sales are up 50%.

Compare that to 310,000 film cameras, down from 680,000 in 2004.   The
compact film business is also down 50% - which is not unlike every other
manufacturer.

But, revenues for the imaging division are up as well, with 355 billion yen
compared to 284 billion.

It is possible to lose market share while experiencing rapid growth.  The
market is booming and everyone under the sun is entering the P&S market.
Here is what the President of the Nikon Imaging has to say about market
share:

"Nikon intends to launch an offensive with the aim of dominating the digital
SLR camera market with a share of 40% or more. In addition, Nikon will
endeavor to further bolster its product lineup, and enhance its already
formidable market position.

Finally, Nikon is #1 in the instrumentation business and dominates other
markets as well.  Somehow, I don't think Nikon will be going under any time
soon and I don't think anyone need worry about long-term support or
innovation.  Their R&D budget is up 20% from last year as well.

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Scott W - 04 Jul 2005 03:31 GMT
> A lot of rumors and speculation regarding sales and market share loss have
> been floating about.  Here's the data straight from Nikon's investor
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> soon and I don't think anyone need worry about long-term support or
> innovation.  Their R&D budget is up 20% from last year as well.

Everything I have heard of late would seem to say they are doing well.
Their DSLRs are selling well and they are expanding their manufacturing
lines for these cameras.

They are one of the major players, and I would think they will continue
to be.

Scott
Father Kodak - 04 Jul 2005 04:46 GMT
>A lot of rumors and speculation regarding sales and market share loss have
>been floating about.  Here's the data straight from Nikon's investor
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>far in fiscal 2005, up from 5,400,000 for the same period in fiscal 2004.
>They project 20% growth in 2006.  Lens sales are up 50%.

Those figures hardly indicate a company in trouble.

>Compare that to 310,000 film cameras, down from 680,000 in 2004.   The
>compact film business is also down 50% - which is not unlike every other
>manufacturer.
>
>But, revenues for the imaging division are up as well, with 355 billion yen
>compared to 284 billion.

That is a much higher margin business than cameras, particularly
PandS.

>It is possible to lose market share while experiencing rapid growth.  The

So true in every high-growth market.  The market segments and new
entrants target some underserved niche.

>market is booming and everyone under the sun is entering the P&S market.

It's fascinating to watch now "computer" companies are becoming
digital camera manufacturers while "film" camera companies are
struggling, with the exceptions of Nikon and Canon.  the film
companies themselves are hurting big-time.

>Here is what the President of the Nikon Imaging has to say about market
>share:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>endeavor to further bolster its product lineup, and enhance its already
>formidable market position.

Nice, but what company president is going to say, "We are behind in
the market, our customers are leaving us in droves, and our
competitors have much better products that we do.  And, we have no
intention to fix this situation."    Any self-respecting president
would resign first.  (exclude Enron, MCI, GM, Ford)

>Finally, Nikon is #1 in the instrumentation business and dominates other
>markets as well.  Somehow, I don't think Nikon will be going under any time
>soon and I don't think anyone need worry about long-term support or
>innovation.  Their R&D budget is up 20% from last year as well.
Walt Hanks - 04 Jul 2005 11:58 GMT
> That is a much higher margin business than cameras, particularly
> PandS.

Sorry I didn't make myself clear there.  The imaging division *is* their
camera division.  It represents over 50% of Nikon's bottom line.

Walt
birdman - 04 Jul 2005 17:15 GMT
What we really want to know is what is the corporate relationship between
Nikon and Mitsubishi? Is Nikon effectively a subsidiary of Mitsubishi or do
they have one of those vague Japanese interlocking boards? This is
apparently not a new relationship with some evidence it dates back to WWII
years.
Has Sony bought into Nikon or is Sony merely a supplier of digital sensors
to Nikon?
And that garf about scientific instrumentation is a bit of an exaggeration.
Nikon is a major, but not indispensable, player in certain types of
microscopes, optical and digital, for laboaratory work but is non-player in
the more lucrative clinical medical fields. Leica is actually a major player
there but could easily be replaced by Zeiss, Olympus and a few other
vendors.
Walt Hanks - 04 Jul 2005 18:20 GMT
> What we really want to know is what is the corporate relationship between
> Nikon and Mitsubishi? Is Nikon effectively a subsidiary of Mitsubishi or
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> actually a major player there but could easily be replaced by Zeiss,
> Olympus and a few other vendors.

Let's see what the data indicates:

Nikon has a 44% market share in IC steppers, a 22% market share in
microscopes, and a 43% market share in measuring instruments.  (BTW, every
ENT office I've ever been in used either Nikon or Olympus surgical
microscopes.  My daughter had sinus surgery Friday and the surgeon used a
Nikon there as well.)

Their instrument sales went from 48 Billion Yen in 2004 to 55 Billion Yen in
2005, and their precision equipment sales (mostly IC steppers) went from 158
to 230 Billion Yen.

Yep, sounds like minor players to me.

Oh, and Mitsubishi Trust Bank owns 2.5 % of Nikon's stock, making them the
8th largest shareholder, and acts as one of 4 corporate auditors.  Another
auditor is from Mitsubishi Industries.  There are only two outside
directors, neither of which are from Mitsubishi.

No data on the relationship with Sony was available in the annual report.

FYI, Leica Microsystems (unrelated to the camera company), which
manufactures surgical scopes and precision optical measurement equipment,
was purchased by Danaher Corporation of Washington, D.C. last week.  I know
the company well and you can expect significant growth in Leica's market
share.  They won't be replaced by anyone.

Walt
Father Kodak - 04 Jul 2005 21:09 GMT
>> What we really want to know is what is the corporate relationship between

>[snip]
>Let's see what the data indicates:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>2005, and their precision equipment sales (mostly IC steppers) went from 158
>to 230 Billion Yen.

[snip, snip, snip ...]
>Walt

Nothing personal about Walt, but why does any of this matter to
_photographers?_  

I'm a Nikon user (full disclosure) but frankly, I'm getting a bit
tired of these incessant Nikon vs Canon "nyah, nyah" discussions.  How
much does it matter?  If I am a very happy Canon owner, do I have to
get upset if Nikon's new D2X is described by some reviewers as good as
the greatest-and-greatest Canon body?  Or if I am a happy Nikon user,
do I care if Canon's L lenses are "better" in some way?  As a
Nikon/Canon user, am I here to proselytize (spelling?) all the
"benighted" Pentax and Olympus users?  Do I get a brownie point every
time one of them switches to Canon/Nikon?

Sheesh, people.  What really matters?

Are we here to discuss photography or are we a debating/flaming group
here?  

In other words, what is the charter of this and related groups?  
Walt Hanks - 04 Jul 2005 21:24 GMT
> Nothing personal about Walt, but why does any of this matter to
> _photographers?_

I think it is important for anyone considering a significant investment in a
system to feel confident that the company is going to be around for the long
haul.  Several posts had suggested that Nikon was/could be/might be soon in
danger because of lost market share.  Similar posts and discussions have
been held regarding K-M, Olympus, Pentax, and Leica.

My point in providing this information was to show that Nikon is healthy and
anyone considering entering the Nikon product line need not be concerned
about their longevity.  That's all.

Walt
Unclaimed Mysteries - 05 Jul 2005 00:35 GMT
Father Kodak wrote in part:

> Sheesh, people.  What really matters?

Brand loyalty matters. As your brand investment increases, so should
your zeal to praise your chosen brand and RIGHTEOUSLY SMITE opposing
brands. It will also make you feel better for reasons that are best
discussed in a psychology forum. If you are distracted from your brand
duty by the mere act of taking pictures, the terrorists will have won.
Now go forth and consume. You can take pictures later if there is time.

Sincerely,
Every Marketing Department in the Fscking Universe

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It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net

eawckyegcy@yahoo.com - 05 Jul 2005 01:02 GMT
> Brand loyalty matters.

Indeed it does:  this is why the Stacey's, the Polson's, the george's,
and the rest of the Nikon Nutcases are so desperately connected to the
photographic market.  It isn't the actual, physical, product that
matters or what it does, or how well it does it:  it's the name, it's
the box, it's the packaging material, it's the press releases, it's the
advertising, it's the promotional aparatus.

We know this is all true because nothing drives these people more crazy
than some irreverent Canon user who rattles their cages with outrageous
"Canon gear is _superior_" commentary.  They know in their heart of
hearts it is true, but the dissonance potentials are just too
destabilizing for them to bring the concept into full cognition.  So
when the despicable heresy materializes on their displays, they are
reduced to apopleptic incoherency.  They can only babble senseless
about the glory-days, the by-gone era of the 1970's and 1980's when
everything was Black.
Unclaimed Mysteries - 05 Jul 2005 01:15 GMT
>>Brand loyalty matters.
>
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> about the glory-days, the by-gone era of the 1970's and 1980's when
> everything was Black.

What *I* like about Canon, a short list just off the top of my HAIYUD:

1) They make good gear, in spite of their obvious marketing to the moron
demographic.

You see? Rational, sensible debate is EASY.

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Frank ess - 05 Jul 2005 01:19 GMT
>>> Brand loyalty matters.
>>
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>
> You see? Rational, sensible debate is EASY.

What I like about NIKON:

Nice OPEN straight lines and no BROKEN CIRCLES such as you see in
CANON
Paul Mitchum - 06 Jul 2005 23:07 GMT
> I'm a Nikon user (full disclosure) but frankly, I'm getting a bit
> tired of these incessant Nikon vs Canon "nyah, nyah" discussions.  How
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Are we here to discuss photography or are we a debating/flaming group
> here?  

I almost bought a Brownie Hawkeye at a thrift store the other day, to
start my inevitable slide into medium format. But since that's obviously
an obsolete media, and since there's no speed winder or consumer-level
wide-angle zoom for it, and since Brownie stock performance in the past
couple months have been less than stellar, I'll just have to make do
with my Pentax DSLR.
Deedee Tee - 05 Jul 2005 04:36 GMT
>What we really want to know is what is the corporate relationship between
>Nikon and Mitsubishi? Is Nikon effectively a subsidiary of Mitsubishi or do
>they have one of those vague Japanese interlocking boards? [..]

Does this have any relevance to us as photographers or buyers of
equipment? Pardon me if I am wrong, but I don't see any.
Father Kodak - 06 Jul 2005 07:03 GMT
>>What we really want to know is what is the corporate relationship between
>>Nikon and Mitsubishi? Is Nikon effectively a subsidiary of Mitsubishi or do
>>they have one of those vague Japanese interlocking boards? [..]
>
>Does this have any relevance to us as photographers or buyers of
>equipment? Pardon me if I am wrong, but I don't see any.

I agree.  It doesn't, unless you're trying to do business in Japan,
where corporate relationships and personal relationships are key.  Ask
David who lives in Tokyo.  And there is nothing like an
after-work-hours visit to a karioke bar with your Japanese  business
colleagues, any of whom can easily drink you under the table.

Kompai!

Father
Deedee Tee - 06 Jul 2005 12:28 GMT
[..]
>I agree.  It doesn't, unless you're trying to do business in Japan,
>where corporate relationships and personal relationships are key.  Ask
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>
>Father

I live in Kyoto, am now in Tokyo for two months...
 
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