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Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4

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David Zou - 25 Jun 2005 22:10 GMT
See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to my
flat...
Jessops sells it at 190pounds. I have a Canon 300D but have just got a kit
lense. Should I go for a 2nd hand Carl Zeiss or the famous cheap and
cheerful Canon 50mm 1.8 MKII?

The Carl Zeiss on ebay is made in Japan by Contax. Is there any difference
from those made in German?

Thanks for viewing...
David Zou - 25 Jun 2005 22:33 GMT
Sorry just to add:

Thanks for viewing and reply!!

D.

> See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to my
> flat...
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> Thanks for viewing...
Martin Francis - 25 Jun 2005 23:17 GMT
> See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to my
> flat...
> Jessops sells it at 190pounds. I have a Canon 300D but have just got a kit
> lense. Should I go for a 2nd hand Carl Zeiss or the famous cheap and
> cheerful Canon 50mm 1.8 MKII?

£190 is way too much. Try the Amateur Photographer second hand ads from
people like Ffordes, Mifsuds, MXV, Classic Camera Exchange, Nicholas etc.

Ffordes website says they sell the adapter ring, too.

I'd buy the Zeiss over the Canon f1.8 MkII. I doubt there's much difference
between the German and Japanese Zeiss lenses. Stick to the AE mount, as
there's little benefit to MM when there's no linkage between the body and
lens.

Martin
Tony Polson - 26 Jun 2005 15:16 GMT
>> See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to my
>> flat...
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>there's little benefit to MM when there's no linkage between the body and
>lens.

I agree with all Martin has said here.  However, I would suggest that
the OP also considers the Carl Zeiss 50mm f/1.7, which is sharper and
has better rendering of out of focus elements of the shot (smoother
bokeh).  It also sells for much less money than the f/1.4 version.

Of course, if you absolutely must have the f/1.4 aperture, that is the
lens to buy.  But the f/1.7 is better in every other respect, and
cheaper too.  It is one of the best performing lenses ever made for a
35mm SLR camera.

A word of warning; the OP should realise that all metering and
shooting must be done with the lens stopped down to the taking
aperture after composing and focusing at full aperture.  
David Zou - 29 Jun 2005 15:52 GMT
Thanks a lot!!

Yeah I realise there is a problem in the metering..... But presumably I can
use the DOF preview button to help me do the metering?

David

>>> See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to
>>> my
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> shooting must be done with the lens stopped down to the taking
> aperture after composing and focusing at full aperture.
Tony Polson - 29 Jun 2005 17:54 GMT
>Thanks a lot!!

You're welcome.

>Yeah I realise there is a problem in the metering..... But presumably I can
>use the DOF preview button to help me do the metering?

The metering is only a problem if you forget to stop down before
taking a meter reading.  If you can live with having to do that, the
Carl Zeiss lens will give you excellent results.
David Zou - 30 Jun 2005 20:50 GMT
Thanks Tony!

I found some adaptor on ebay and sellers say they could support AV mode and
this on web:

The MM-type diaphragm allows for program AE, shutter-priority AE (Tv),
aperture-priority AE (Av) and manual mode. The older AE-type diaphragm on
certain currently produced Zeiss lenses only supports the Av and manual
metering modes; this is solely a function of the diaphragm action and has
nothing to do with optical quality.

Which mount should I go for?

David

>>Thanks a lot!!
>
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> taking a meter reading.  If you can live with having to do that, the
> Carl Zeiss lens will give you excellent results.
Tony Polson - 30 Jun 2005 20:56 GMT
>Thanks Tony!
>
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>
>Which mount should I go for?

I'm sorry, David, I don't know.  I wasn't aware that mounts were
available that offered shutter priority and program AE.  

It sounds good ... if it works.  Sorry I cannot help.
David Zou - 30 Jun 2005 22:10 GMT
Never mind Tony...
Thanks anyway

David

>>Thanks Tony!
>>
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>
> It sounds good ... if it works.  Sorry I cannot help.
Martin Francis - 26 Jun 2005 17:07 GMT
>> See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to my
>> flat...
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> mount, as there's little benefit to MM when there's no linkage between the
> body and lens.

More details:
http://www.cameraquest.com/frames/4saleReos.htm
Edward Holt - 26 Jun 2005 18:03 GMT
>>> See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to
>>> my flat...
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> More details:
> http://www.cameraquest.com/frames/4saleReos.htm

Interesting idea - I've not heard of that.
I'd really rather have a digital back for my Olympus cameras and take
advantage of the manual focusing aids and also bigger, brighter viewfinder.
Anyone know if their is any product like that available?
Tony Polson - 27 Jun 2005 00:02 GMT
>Interesting idea - I've not heard of that.
>I'd really rather have a digital back for my Olympus cameras and take
>advantage of the manual focusing aids and also bigger, brighter viewfinder.
>Anyone know if their is any product like that available?

So far, there is only one digital back, the 10 megapixel Leica Digital
Modul-R.  It fits Leica R8 and R9 SLRs, and costs a whopping £3298.

Nikon were apparently developing a convertible film/digital SLR but
instead elected to offer two separate, but related SLRs; the 35mm film
SLR is the Nikon F6 and the digital SLR is the D2X.  The two cameras
have a lot in common, but the convertible idea was dropped when it
became apparent that the change in the market from 35mm film to
digital was much more rapid than expected.

I don't think a digital back for your Olympus 35mm SLRs is a realistic
possibility.  Olympus are fully committed to Four Thirds with the E
System SLRs, and they are not likely to wish to dilute this by
offering anything that is compatible with the OM System.


DoN. Nichols - 27 Jun 2005 04:39 GMT
>>Interesting idea - I've not heard of that.
>>I'd really rather have a digital back for my Olympus cameras and take
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>So far, there is only one digital back, the 10 megapixel Leica Digital
>Modul-R.  It fits Leica R8 and R9 SLRs, and costs a whopping £3298.

    Well ... it depends.  There is the NC2000e/c, a digital back
applied to a Nikon N90s film camera by Kodak for the AP back around 1995
or so.  Only 1.3 MP, but it worked.  And there were similar ones
developed for Cannon bodies.

    But for something with today's MP ratings -- I'm afraid not
other than the Leica one mentioned above.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.
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Gisle Hannemyr - 27 Jun 2005 06:38 GMT
>>> Interesting idea - I've not heard of that.  I'd really rather have
>>> a digital back for my Olympus cameras and take advantage of the
>>> manual focusing aids and also bigger, brighter viewfinder.  Anyone
>>> know if their is any product like that available?

>> So far, there is only one digital back, the 10 megapixel Leica
>> Digital Modul-R.  It fits Leica R8 and R9 SLRs, and costs a
>> whopping £3298.

> Well ... it depends.  There is the NC2000e/c, a digital back applied
> to a Nikon N90s film camera by Kodak for the AP back around 1995 or
> so.  Only 1.3 MP, but it worked.  And there were similar ones
> developed for Cannon bodies.

Kodak had several digital backs on the market in 1995 - in addition
to the 1.3 Mpx AP-camera you mention, there was the 6 Mpx DCS460
(for Nikon N90s), the 6 Mpx DCS465 (for generic MF bodies).
The 6 Mpx DCS560 (for Canon EOS-1n) arrived in 1998.

> But for something with today's MP ratings -- I'm afraid not other
> than the Leica one mentioned above.

6 Mpx is still fairly current (both the Nikon D70s and D50) are
6 Mpx).  However, these Kodak backs are 10 years old, and can
only be found on the second-hand market.
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David Zou - 30 Jun 2005 20:54 GMT
Thanks Martin:

Yeah I found some 2nd lense on the website you mentioned and they are all
awful lot cheaper!

but I searched web and found MM mount is newer and more functional than AE
mount with difference being the diaphragm....

I am a bit confused as you mentioned AE is better than MM...

Cheers

David

>> See 2nd hand Carl Zeiss 50mm 1.4 in ebay as well as in Jessops next to my
>> flat...
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> Martin
 
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