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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / July 2005Windoze XP can now read RAW files!
Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read both NEF files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually... It's a 6 meg download if you have ,net 1.1 installed (needed for Norton Ghost among other things) or a 28 meg if you don't... Once installed it gives thums in the thumbnail view, but won't do filmstrip... The nice thing is, the popup when you put your mouse over the image gives you all the EXIF data, including the ISO! I love it! Finally MS did something useful! Double-clicking the image will bring it up in a Microsoft viewer, if you have Nikon View, you have to kill the shortcut to NKVMON.EXE in the STARTUP or it will 'steal' back the NEF from Windoze. If you don't want to use MS viewer, don't delete it... Now to go look at all my NEF's!! Oh yeah - you can get a link from the Photo Review site... http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp Except it's typical Bloatware weighing in a 47 MB zipped. Many similar plugins are 4.7 MB. And it doesn't support anything but Canon and Nikon. So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr. Bill's neighbourhood... > Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read > both NEF [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp > So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr. > Bill's neighbourhood... They probably failed to pay their MS tax? I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want? Open a RAW developer...  SignatureStacey > > So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr. > > Bill's neighbourhood... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want? > Open a RAW developer... Yep, what the hell were they thinking? It's not even worth downloading. Greg >> So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr. >> Bill's neighbourhood... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer >anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want? That's why I wanted this patch - to see the RAW files when browsing around in Windose... I hated to just see a little blank box among the jpeg thums. As for MS viewer, I probably won't use it! Anyone actually use MS photo ware?? >Open a RAW developer... >>I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer >>anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want? > > That's why I wanted this patch - to see the RAW files when browsing around > in > Windose... But isn't that just going to slow down the system having to deal with that action? Sounds like more bloat that will require another hardware upgrade just to use windows explorer! :-) SignatureStacey >>>I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer >>>anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >action? Sounds like more bloat that will require another hardware upgrade >just to use windows explorer! :-) Doesn't seem to be any slower, once the thums are read... similar to large TIFs being read I guess... The biggest slowdown for your system is the damn web! The computer I do useful work on has no Internet connection... >>But isn't that just going to slow down the system having to deal with that >>action? Sounds like more bloat that will require another hardware upgrade >>just to use windows explorer! :-) > > Doesn't seem to be any slower, once the thums are read... Exactly. > similar to large > TIFs > being read I guess... Which I would have turned off as well. I don't see any advantage to having a "viewer" running in file managment software. > The biggest slowdown for your system is the damn > web! ??? Don't follow that unless it's all the AV and other crap needed for a windows machine.. SignatureStacey >>>But isn't that just going to slow down the system having to deal with that >>>action? Sounds like more bloat that will require another hardware upgrade [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >??? Don't follow that unless it's all the AV and other crap needed for a >windows machine.. This is my second machine that has been bogged down to death by the web... When it was new it ran very fast, but after 2 years on the web, it is now loaded down with a ton of crap, most of it from the web. Lots of stuff I don't know what it is, but I see in the systrey all kinds of crap like HP update and Winamp Agent and a dozen programs that need to call home every so often... my mouse just called home about an hour ago! (Intellipoint) Not to mention the firewall and virus scanner! Have you seen the latest from MS? When you download something it runs a system verifier to make sure you bought your copy of windoze! The other day I went to vu a DVD with Power DVD and a totally unknown viewer showed up!! What the hell is that!!?? I think it came from a codec package I loaded... Every time I get new photo or movie equipment I end up with more crap on the computer monitoring the net. I'm going to have to buy another machine soon, and the one I keep off of the net I will totally clean up, and keep all the flotsam out! >Lots of stuff I > don't know what it is, but I see in the systrey all kinds of crap like HP > update and Winamp Agent and a dozen programs that need to call home every > so often... You need to KILL everything in the systray exept the clock and maybe the volume control. > my mouse just > called home about an hour ago! (Intellipoint) Not to mention the > firewall and virus scanner! Uninstall the software for all that crap. You don't need "mouse software" etc. Go download adaware and let it remove all the spyware for you. SignatureStacey >>Lots of stuff I >>don't know what it is, but I see in the systrey all kinds of crap like HP [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Uninstall the software for all that crap. You don't need "mouse software" > etc. Go download adaware and let it remove all the spyware for you. Ha,ha, ha... Get the massive bloatware Microsloth bought from Giant and fattened up called "Microsoft Anti Spyware". This really does arrest all your write home stuff, unlike Adaware (the free one). Douglas >>Lots of stuff I >> don't know what it is, but I see in the systrey all kinds of crap like HP [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Uninstall the software for all that crap. You don't need "mouse software" >etc. Go download adaware and let it remove all the spyware for you. I wish I had a list of what I could safely kill off in the background... ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is the news Agent... >>>Lots of stuff I >>> don't know what it is, but I see in the systrey all kinds of crap like HP [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is the news >Agent... That's at least 15-20 too many. I've "only" got 50, and that includes a couple of Photoshop listeners, a raft of Norton tasks, two for the touchpad, and three from HP. >>>Lots of stuff I >>>don't know what it is, but I see in the systrey all kinds of crap like HP [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is the news > Agent... Bob... If you go to one of my web sites (the name says it all) and use the 'contact us' link to send me a list of the services you have running, I'll send you back a list of the ones you can disable and a few links to sanitize your PC. Douglas Let me know the results of this also...I would like to know just the essential tasks... Tom >>>>Lots of stuff I >>>>don't know what it is, but I see in the systrey all kinds of crap like [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Douglas > I wish I had a list of what I could safely kill off in the background... > ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is > the news Agent... Wow! I just checked my win2K machine and there are less than 20 running. No wonder your machine seems slow! SignatureStacey >> I wish I had a list of what I could safely kill off in the background... >> ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is >> the news Agent... >Wow! I just checked my win2K machine and there are less than 20 running. No >wonder your machine seems slow! Tasks or processes? I have 36 processes, but tasks are only 4, and they happen to be the 4 programs I have explicitly opened. Anyway, whether or not a task or process slows down the machine is highly variable. There is a wide range between well-behaved and rude. One task could slow the system to a crawl, or 100 could have no noticeable effect. Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< > >>> I wish I had a list of what I could safely kill off in the background... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tasks or processes? Processes, there are 18 running with no apps opened and no apps are opened unless I start them! :-) > I have 36 processes, but tasks are only 4, and they > happen to be the 4 programs I have explicitly opened. > > Anyway, whether or not a task or process slows down the machine is > highly variable. They all consume RAM which isn't a good thing. SignatureStacey >>>>I wish I had a list of what I could safely kill off in the background... >>>>ctrl/alt/del brings up a list of 63 running tasks, and all I'm doing is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > They all consume RAM which isn't a good thing. Don't fight the force, Stacey... Add more RAM until what they consume is insignificant. Douglas >They all consume RAM which isn't a good thing. Again, their affect on performance varies. There are classes of programs that you could literally have hundreds of "running", and not even notice. It's usually only a small number of unnecessary applets that are slowing the system down; it is not usually a volume issue per se. Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> John P Sheehy <JPS@no.komm> ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< "Bob" <FlintsTone@nospam.com> wrote in message > That's why I wanted this patch - to see the RAW files when browsing around > in > Windose... I hated to just see a little blank box among the jpeg thums...> Try DP Magic http://www.dpmagic.com/ it will enable the viewing of most (all?) RAW file thumbnails (remember to set your folder view to 'thumbnails) >> So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr. >> Bill's neighbourhood... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want? > Open a RAW developer... I use Cerious Software's "Thumbs Plus" with their RAW plugin. I find it useful to view thumbnails of my files. The 47 MB for M$ is bloatware. I wonder how big it would be if it supported more cameras ;) [] > I use Cerious Software's "Thumbs Plus" with their RAW plugin. I find > it useful to view thumbnails of my files. The 47 MB for M$ is > bloatware. I wonder how big it would be if it supported more cameras > ;) Someone said the actual download was only a few MB. Supporting extra cameras should not make it significantly bigger. The extra was for .NET if you didn't already have the required version of .NET, and that's just a once-off download. David > Except it's typical Bloatware weighing in a 47 MB zipped. Many > similar plugins are 4.7 MB. And it doesn't support anything but > Canon and Nikon. So apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et > al don't exist in Mr. Bill's neighbourhood... And when you realize that the Irfanview plugin (Formats.dll) is only 147kb (yes, only kilobytes) for PSP, G3, RAS, BioRAD, Mosaic, XBM, XPM, GEM-IMG, SGI, RLE, WBMP, TTF, RAW, CRW, CR2, DNG, NEF, ORF, RAF, MRW, DCR, SRF, PEF, EEF, X3F, DDS, CAM, SFW, WAD, WAL, PIC, FITS, full size support, the MS effort is seriously underwhelming. Bart >Except it's typical Bloatware weighing in a 47 MB zipped. Many similar >plugins are 4.7 MB. And it doesn't support anything but Canon and Nikon. So >apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr. >Bill's neighbourhood... You must not have the latest version of dot net installed. If you do, it's a much smaller download. Scott Peterson -- If at first you don't succeed, try management. 155/619 > Except it's typical Bloatware weighing in a 47 MB zipped. Many similar > plugins are 4.7 MB. And it doesn't support anything but Canon and Nikon. So > apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr. > Bill's neighbourhood... Obviously selective reading... the Microsoft page states clearly: Full version: Download the software to your personal computer and double-click on 'RAWViewerSetup' to install. Follow the instructions on your screen. (Note that after running 'RAWViewerSetup' it may take several minutes for the PowerToy setup screen to appear if the .NET Framework must be installed on your system. Please be patient. Lite version: Verify that version 1.1 of the .NET Framework is already installed on your system. Then download the software to your personal computer and double-click 'RAWViewerSetupLite' to install. Follow the instructions on your screen. In other words, you only need the 47MB download if you don't already have .NET Framework 1.1 installed; otherwise you only need the 6MB download. The other 41MB is the .NET installation (which may be required for other programs later anyway, so you'll probably end up downloading it eventually). --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0528-2, 07/12/2005 Tested on: 7/13/2005 12:41:05 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com > Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read > both NEF [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp Nikon has had a patch for XP for a long time. I've been viewing NEF's in thumbnails since I got my D70. The "updater" is only 607KB! >> Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read >> both NEF [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Nikon has had a patch for XP for a long time. I've been viewing NEF's in >thumbnails since I got my D70. The "updater" is only 607KB! Really? I wish they had told me about it, I'm always going to MS update but it never seems to find anything... >>>Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read >>>both NEF [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Really? I wish they had told me about it, I'm always going to MS update but it > never seems to find anything... Windows XP update here: http://tinyurl.com/cqwex You need to have installed Picture Project or Nikon Capture etc for it to work. Also, use "Tweak UI" from Powertools for windows XP to adjust size/quality of all thumbnails displayed. >>> Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read >>> both NEF [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > but it > never seems to find anything... It's on the Nikon site. There is a serious problem with the Microsoft RAW viewer. You cannot delete, move or rename TIFF files. I personally had a serious problem with this after installing the viewer. Once I removed the viewer, I was again able to perform these functions. I notice that several "Boards" have documented this problem, e.g., www.dpreview.com . I have deleted the viewer and all is back to normal again. Ina > Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read > both NEF [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp > There is a serious problem with the Microsoft RAW viewer. You cannot > delete, move or rename TIFF files. I personally had a serious problem with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I have deleted the viewer and all is back to normal again. Explain further. I just cut, copy, pasted and deleted with the RAW viewer installed. Under what circumstances does this fail? -- Rob I tried to be specific. I could not move, rename, or delete any TIFF (.TIF) files. Once I uninstalled the RAW viewer, I was again able to do these tasks. Ina >> There is a serious problem with the Microsoft RAW viewer. You cannot >> delete, move or rename TIFF files. I personally had a serious problem [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Rob To be even MORE specific, I am running Windows XP Pro SP2. Ina >I tried to be specific. I could not move, rename, or delete any TIFF >(.TIF) files. Once I uninstalled the RAW viewer, I was again able to do [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Rob >There is a serious problem with the Microsoft RAW viewer. You cannot delete, >move or rename TIFF files. I personally had a serious problem with this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Ina I have no trouble with that...XP SP2 home... The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET framework. This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is that the NET framework, which is not needed except for special applications, can slow computer boot times and opertating times significantly. If you think your computer is not acting properly after installing this applet you are correct and both the viewer and the NET framework have to be uninstalled through Control Panel. > The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET > framework. This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > after installing this applet you are correct and both the viewer and > the NET framework have to be uninstalled through Control Panel. And while it was installed, it was painfully slow, even for viewing JPEGs. A waste of time and energy, at this point. Couple years down the road, M$oft will absorb some enterprising programmer's quick and small appliance and be worthwhile in this regard. Isn't that the way it works? SignatureFrank ess > The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET framework. > This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is that the NET [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > correct and both the viewer and the NET framework have to be uninstalled > through Control Panel. Actually you just need to buy a new machine to process this new bloatware.. Why use java when you can develop something that increases new computer sales? SignatureStacey >The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET framework. >This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is that the NET [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and both the viewer and the NET framework have to be uninstalled through >Control Panel. I already had the net framework - Norton Ghost uses it... But my machine certainly is slow! > But my machine certainly is slow! That's what I can't understand, why the OS itself must drag a system to it's knees with all this bloatware that must be running before an application is even opened up. SignatureStacey >> But my machine certainly is slow! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is > even opened up. This is the way Microsoft works. The reason we have huge harddrives and Pentium 4 class machines is to get a bit of performance out of WinDoze and the other bloatware. [] > This is the way Microsoft works. The reason we have huge harddrives > and Pentium 4 class machines is to get a bit of performance out of > WinDoze and the other bloatware. Windows is not alone in requiring significant resources. And if you are satisfied with the performance and facilities of earlier versions of Windows, you may continue to use them. There's plenty of choice as to which bits of Windows you enable to best suit your own needs. What Windows /has/ done is to take away the dozens and dozens of driver disks that we used to need - different drivers for WordStar, drivers for SuperCalc and so on. It has also meant that you can have one platofrm to run most of your software - you don't need DOS for this program, OS/2 for that program, CP/M or GEM for another. However, I think if you look at the huge harddrives today they are either near empty, or filled with user data rather than software, and today's CPUs aren't straining against the limits any more. If they /are/, then likely it's application software doing some complex image processing. If Windows can help bring some standard to the multiplicity of raw file formats, all the better. (Or will it be DNG, or OpenRAW - so many "standards to choose from!). David [snip] > If Windows can help bring some standard to the multiplicity of raw file > formats, all the better. (Or will it be DNG, or OpenRAW - so many > "standards to choose from!). I don't think Windows, XP or even Longhorn, will make a lot of difference to this. I would like to see Longhorn give preference to DNG in some way, to encourage the trend towards DNG. But Longhorn will support codecs for whatever formats the camera manufacturers choose to support, in addition to DNG, so it probably won't be decisive. I have wondered whether Microsoft would bring out their own common Raw format to compete with DNG. But it is hard to see how they could replace DNG, rather than just add another format. Longhorn may appear about 2 years after DNG was launched, by which time DNG will be a hard act to follow. And what would Microsoft gain? How could they make money from their own format when Adobe give DNG away? That would be about as difficult as trying to sell a browser when Microsoft give IE away! OpenRAW isn't a proposed specification. Its theme (contrary to what even many of its supporters think) is publication of the camera manufacturers' formats, not promotion of a common Raw format. I have suggested to them that they SHOULD promote a specification (as well). They should identify that subset of DNG which satisfies the OpenRAW principles, and promote that. (I have suggested they call this subset "DNG/OpenRAW"). The last proposed revision date for the current ISO standard TIFF/EP, (upon which DNG and many other Raw formats are based), was 2006. I suspect it would take a year or two from then to get any revised standard ratified. Besides, just as ISO based TIFF/EP on Adobe's TIFF 6.0, so I believe they would base any revision to TIFF/EP on DNG. I think DNG will be the only plausible candidate for a common Raw format for years. -- Barry Pearson http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/ http://www.birdsandanimals.info/ >> But my machine certainly is slow! > >That's what I can't understand, why the OS itself must drag a system to it's >knees with all this bloatware that must be running before an application is >even opened up. It's terrible, aint it? Sometimes my machine won't boot up completely, I have to off the sucker! I heard the next version of Windoze will come on a DVD! no sh.t! I miss my Amiga, it booted up completely on a 500k ROM and a floppy! Later I bought a 40m HD! > Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read both > NEF [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a third grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that up, or are you always so amusing? > I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a > third grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that > up, or are you always so amusing? I don't get it. How does someone's cute humor injure anyone to the degree he must respond with vitriol? >> I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a >> third grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How does someone's cute humor injure anyone to the degree he must respond > with vitriol? He was the guy at MicroSoft who came up with the name Windows ;) >>> I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a >>> third grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> with vitriol? > He was the guy at MicroSoft who came up with the name Windows ;) No, he's the guy who doesn't suffer fools. >>>> I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a >>>> third grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No, he's the guy who doesn't suffer fools. Microsoft products are crappy bloatware, they have always been that. MS will buy existing software and fatten it up. If developed by Microsoft then it is buggy and full of exploits. The only suffering fool here is those who are somehow offended by the term Windoze, which dates back since the first version of Windows286 >>>> I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in >>>> a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No, he's the guy who doesn't suffer fools. But he does suffer. Pobrecito. > No, he's the guy who doesn't suffer fools. Well, you're wearing the hat now. Windoze and Windohs are standard nomenclature even amongst those (such as me) who prefer windohs over Mac OS and Linux. SignatureA beaver and a rabbit are sitting in the woods near Hoover Dam. "Did you build that one?" the rabbit asked. "No, but it was based on an idea of mine," the beaver replied. -Jack Kilby on his invention of the IC. >> No, he's the guy who doesn't suffer fools. > > Well, you're wearing the hat now. > > Windoze and Windohs are standard nomenclature even amongst those (such > as me) who prefer windohs over Mac OS and Linux. ...or even Winders. :) Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' > ...or even Winders. :) How about whine-doh's ! Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >>> I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in >>> a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> respond with vitriol? > He was the guy at MicroSoft who came up with the name Windows ;) Ah. > I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny-- Yes, you spelt it as funny as the subject line. The correct spelling is, seriously: "Windohs". SignatureA beaver and a rabbit are sitting in the woods near Hoover Dam. "Did you build that one?" the rabbit asked. "No, but it was based on an idea of mine," the beaver replied. -Jack Kilby on his invention of the IC. > Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read both NEF > files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I love it! Finally MS did something useful! er, you can't adjust and then save to JPG / TIFF, however. Only works on Nikon and Canon RAW. M$ CRAP, IOW. SignatureA beaver and a rabbit are sitting in the woods near Hoover Dam. "Did you build that one?" the rabbit asked. "No, but it was based on an idea of mine," the beaver replied. -Jack Kilby on his invention of the IC. >> Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to >> read both NEF [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > M$ CRAP, IOW. So we are all in agreeance then? Microsoft should keep out of development of utilities. That way we'll have to buy about 80 seperate programs after buying Windoze just to be able to use a computer. Sounds logical to me - NOT! Douglas > Microsoft should keep out of development of utilities. That way we'll > have to buy about 80 seperate programs after buying Windoze just to be > able to use a computer. Sounds logical to me - NOT! I don't think M$ are really suited to do things like RAW import for the purpose of photo editing. Adobe do it to pull the file into their workspace to do what RAW is meant to be used for. "Developing" the image. The average camera buyer will be shooting JPG's and not bothering with RAW in any case. All the M$ crap does is let you see a large thumbnail of the photo ... and you can't save in TIFF or JPG. Useless IOW. M$ are not very good when it comes to applications and as others have noted it's sitting on top of bloatware. Adobe PS (any version)is not the best s/w in terms of efficiency when running (speed or esp. memory), but it is heads and shoulders above anything that M$ could ever do in this area. Cheers, Alan. SignatureA beaver and a rabbit are sitting in the woods near Hoover Dam. "Did you build that one?" the rabbit asked. "No, but it was based on an idea of mine," the beaver replied. -Jack Kilby on his invention of the IC. >Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read both NEF >files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually... It seems to work very nicely and has an open with photoshop option. Microsoft also has a nice addin that adds a resize option to the menu when you right-click on a picture. Check out http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx There are a number of other useful tools there. Scott Peterson -- The light at the end of the tunnel may be nothing more than an idiot with a match." 393/619 |
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