Hi everyone,
I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been asked
(for the first time) to photograph a dinner/award recognition ceremony.
I was recommended verbally by a friend, but am very nervous as I have never
photographed this type of senario before.
My fortae is wildlife/landscape photography, so you can agree that this
dinner is slightly different.
I asked the marketing assistant what type of shots they were after and she
said that it really wasn't a big deal and just head shots at the dinner
tables and when the awards were being given. But I need more info and really
didn't want to sound like a complete idiot, I didn't want to persue the
issue with her as she was a little reluctant to further sumply info.
So, not to look completely out of place on the night ( which is end of next
week I might add!) :
1) do I direct people to were I want them to stand after they have received
their awards,
2) do I ask people sitting at the dinner tables to bunch up together or just
take shots of 2/3/4 people sitting close enough to get the shot,
3) as I don't shoot indoors, this also presents another difficult factor for
me, as far as my skills with flash use being just a fill-flash. Is shooting
indoors that much more difficult?
I have Canon EOS 20D/18-55mm lens/28-70mm f2.8/70-200mm f2.8L-series/Canon
550EX flash. I will only need to shoot digital (as per the marketing
assistant) so I will not need the use of my 35mm.
I always overcomplicate things and stress myself out unecessarily, (and have
been told this ever since I was knee-high to a grass hopper!), but I really
am asking for some help in this situation from those of you that have taken
photos in this type of environment.
I don't get stressed when I shoot what I love which is wildlife/landscape,
but I really don't want to let down my friend either and say that I feel a
little like a fish out of water.
I would like to send out a very big thank you in advance for all of the info
that you all are able to provide for me, as I feel that everything in life
is a learning curve but it helps to be guided down the correct path to begin
with.
Thanks,
Tina.
Bob_M - 24 Jun 2005 12:24 GMT
>Hi everyone,
>I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been asked
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>Thanks,
>Tina.
Tina;
Sounds like you're getting "first day jitters".
In many respects, at least in my experience, this type of "PR"
shooting is quite different and really not that enjoyable compared to
casual landscapes.
It would help to know exact what the requestor is looking for. Do
they want some photos to be used in a publication? If so, is it a
newspaper/tabloid? Or an inhouse magazine or newsletter? Are they
expecting a representation of the event? Or do they want a series of
photos for record?
Once you determine what to shoot then you can plan accordinly.
If you need to shoot people receiving their awards try to find out if
there is a post award staging area where you can take posed shots with
the presenter and the recipient standing next to one another angled
inwards about 40 degrees or so both holding or passing the award but
looking at the camera. If not then you'll have to shoot as the
award is presented (more difficult but quidker). Determine in advance
where your best vantage point will be from the floor. Assuming there
are tables arrange about you might find either a seat at the front
slightly off the center to the presenters side. If there is no
available seat then position yourself in an isle (side) either
squatting or kneeling on one knee. If you must, stand to grab your
shot and return to your low position (simple courtesy). I'd recommend
using for short tele for this trying to fill much of the frame either
horizontally if there is a podium or verticle if there is not. With
your gear and a normally lighted public area you most likely will not
need flash as there should be a second or two of non-body movement as
the award is received (that's the time to shoot). Otherwise use your
flash but be aware of the distance behind the subjects. If its too
close against a background you might get undesirable back shadows. If
so you might have to elevate your flash, perhaps use it off-camers or
change your position (or all three).
If the expectations are for general interest then I would try to get
some shots of some people at the tables (bunched together or not,
depending on their cooperation and absolutely before the actual awards
when no one is speaking). If there is a poster mounted somewhere
near the entrance then grab a full steady shot of it. Same goes for
an informative program. Usually the cover might have some uniquely
identifying information on it. Take a close shot with it lying flat
on a table or such. If there are any other recognizable items around
(head table, fountain, etc) grab some "fill" shots.
Finally, as you will be shooting digital frames, be sure to
post-process them to sharpen and/or crop them prior to delivering
them. Also, I personally like to convert them to grayscale (black and
white) as for general PR use they are less technically critical and
overall look better for that purpose.
Just remember, don't get flustered, take your time, remember your
basic technical stuff (zone, focus point, depth, composition, etc)
which should be wrote by now anyway. Relax, be courteous and polite
and you will look professional.
Good luck. Should be a challenge but actually not that hard. And,
also, when you are done, don't worry too much about "how you did"
because you can't change it anyway. Do your best and make the best of
it.
Bob
Tony Polson - 24 Jun 2005 13:22 GMT
>Hi everyone,
>I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been asked
>(for the first time) to photograph a dinner/award recognition ceremony.
>I was recommended verbally by a friend, but am very nervous as I have never
>photographed this type of senario before.
Just say no.
AustinMN - 24 Jun 2005 13:48 GMT
My thoughts as well. I've learned to (mostly) stick with what I do
well (not just in photography, but in all of life) and that has made me
much better than average in those areas. (As opposed to the majority,
who are mediocre at most things and not really good at anything).
Austin
Tony Polson - 24 Jun 2005 16:40 GMT
>My thoughts as well.
Yep, the OP needs to realise that someone
is trying to take advantage of her.
It's nice to be asked. Unfortunately, some
will use that to take advantage of others.
Alan Browne - 24 Jun 2005 15:36 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been asked
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> So, not to look completely out of place on the night ( which is end of next
> week I might add!) :
If they are not helpful, they're not doing their job.
> 1) do I direct people to were I want them to stand after they have received
> their awards,
Yes. Preferably brief the award recipients beforehand.
> 2) do I ask people sitting at the dinner tables to bunch up together or just
> take shots of 2/3/4 people sitting close enough to get the shot,
Either. Just try to fill the frame, and keep the 'group' over an arc of
1/3 of the table or less. Trying to get people on the 'sides' and near
side is disaster time.
> 3) as I don't shoot indoors, this also presents another difficult factor for
> me, as far as my skills with flash use being just a fill-flash. Is shooting
> indoors that much more difficult?
> I have Canon EOS 20D/18-55mm lens/28-70mm f2.8/70-200mm f2.8L-series/Canon
> 550EX flash. I will only need to shoot digital (as per the marketing
> assistant) so I will not need the use of my 35mm.
If the ceiling is low enough (less than 12') and white, use it as your
main lighting source by bouncing rour flash at it (60° up). Othewise
get a Stofen and add it to the flash and point the flash up (60°). This
is not as difuse, but will get the flash away from the lens axis. This
also reduces the range of the flash somewhat. In a pinch, tape a 4x6
index card to the flash to make a reflector.
I would guess the 28-70 would be your main weapon for the table/group
shots as well as the award shots.
The 70-200 could be used BUT only if you don't shoot flash directly at
the subject... if you do use a telephoto and flash you will almost
certainly get red eye. With he 70-200 and far enough back, you will not
get much bounce surface to avoid this.
If the print requirement is for small photos (say 5x7 or even 8x10),
then you can probably shoot at ISO 400 with no problem.
> I always overcomplicate things and stress myself out unecessarily, (and have
> been told this ever since I was knee-high to a grass hopper!), but I really
> am asking for some help in this situation from those of you that have taken
> photos in this type of environment.
It's one of the easiest shoots that you can do. Just pay attention to
the 'rites' wrt to people receiving their award, doing the grip-and-grin
and if they say a few words get a couple shots of that. Time it for
best looks which usually means during a pause in their speech and a
smile directed at the crowd. If the person is a gesticulator, and the
gestures look good, try to capture that as well.
> I don't get stressed when I shoot what I love which is wildlife/landscape,
> but I really don't want to let down my friend either and say that I feel a
> little like a fish out of water.
Have fun.
Cheers,
Alan.

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Frank ess - 24 Jun 2005 18:03 GMT
Jason/Tina wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been
> asked
> (for the first time) to photograph a dinner/award recognition
> ceremony.
<massive quantities of snippage have occurred>
> I don't get stressed when I shoot what I love which is
> wildlife/landscape,
> but I really don't want to let down my friend either and say that I
> feel a
> little like a fish out of water.
Seems like a necessary step in the evolution of a land animal ...
I'd guess the awarders and awardees and their fellow celebrants will
be cooperative on scene, and appreciative of whatever you can serve
up, if your friend hasn't created unreasonable expectations. If they
complain, smile and say, "Yes", and note how well your newly evolved
lungs work.

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John McWilliams - 24 Jun 2005 20:06 GMT
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> didn't want to sound like a complete idiot, I didn't want to persue the
>> issue with her as she was a little reluctant to further sumply info.
A bit more info from said person is essential. No point in trying to get
full length large files when all they'll be using are head shots for the
company web site or inhouse magazine at 3x 5 for example.
<< Snipped bits out >>
> If the print requirement is for small photos (say 5x7 or even 8x10),
> then you can probably shoot at ISO 400 with no problem.
With the 20D you can shoot at 1600 and come out fine. Shoot RAW and
you'll have lots more to work with.
So, you might shoot some at 1600 sans flash, and others at 200 with flash.
I'd recommend any reviewing pay attention to the Histogram; what shows
on the back panel in review may look just right but could be vastly
underexposed when you see it on your monitor at home.

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Juan - 24 Jun 2005 20:10 GMT
Bow out gracefully, it doesn't seem as if any good will come out of it for
anyone.
Stefan Patric - 24 Jun 2005 20:52 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Thanks,
> Tina.
If you're that unsure of yourself and your abilities to satisfactorily
perform the work, regardless of the quality of the equipment you have,
then you shouldn't do it, especially if an exchange of money is
involved. It is a perscription for disaster.
Of course, you could just "suck it up," put everything on "auto," jump
in with both feet and JUST DO IT! Irrational fears and innate, female
insecurity, be damned! At least with a digital camera, you can review
each shot and reshoot, if needed.
Or do a practice session a few days before using friends and family as
guinea pigs to build your confidence.

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Don - 25 Jun 2005 08:50 GMT
Shoot RAW and carry lots of cards as you will soon use them up. RAW allows
you to deal with the exposure problems you will no doubt face with the 550EX
flash and the 20D. More importantly as some have already stated, have fun!!
(otherwise its not worth the effort).
regards
Don from Down Under
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> Or do a practice session a few days before using friends and family as
> guinea pigs to build your confidence.
Ryadia - 25 Jun 2005 21:08 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been asked
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Thanks,
> Tina.
The 550 EX is an old flash originally designed for EOS film cameras and
has now been superseded. Often the only way to get "off the sensor"
printable shots with this flash is to use the idiot mode of the camera
(the green square). I had problems with the reliable exposure of this
flash last year and resorted to idiot mode to cure the problem.
Seeing as these are important but not critical photos... Try out the
idiot mode in your home, with everyone at the dinner table and then use
Av mode and see if there is any difference. If the flash continually
underexposes (most likely) then just up the flash compensation by a stop
and all will be well.
Otherwise, rush out and buy a P&S camera, they always work well enough
in idiot mode to get a picture.
Douglas
Ryadia - 26 Jun 2005 07:17 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been asked
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Thanks,
> Tina.
I can't give you a lot of help with how to position your subjects but I
can give you some pointers on your flash indoors.
http://www.ryadia.com/some_flash.htm
Douglas
Gisle Hannemyr - 26 Jun 2005 09:29 GMT
> I am in need of some guidence/direction and information. I have been
> asked (for the first time) to photograph a dinner/award recognition
> ceremony. I was recommended verbally by a friend, but am very
> nervous as I have never photographed this type of senario before.
I used to work as a freelance photographer. Then I sometimes did a
dinner/award assignment - so I have at least some experience.
> 1) do I direct people to were I want them to stand after they have
> received their awards,
That depend on the circumstances. It may not be considered proper
to interfere with the goings-on by giving directions during the
dinner/ceremony.
I usually try to move as inconspicuous as possible during the dinner
and ceremony, and announce (or ask the EmCee to announce) that I want
the award recipients assembled for posed shots afterwards.
> 2) do I ask people sitting at the dinner tables to bunch up together
> or just take shots of 2/3/4 people sitting close enough to get the
> shot,
I always try not to interfere with people enjoying themselves.
> 3) as I don't shoot indoors, this also presents another difficult
> factor for me, as far as my skills with flash use being just a
> fill-flash. Is shooting indoors that much more difficult?
Yes. Direct flash gives very harsh shadows - as can seen on the shot
below.
http://flickr.com/photos/gisleh/13295363
(But despite the ugly shadows - this image was the one that
sold - in photojournalism, the motif is often more important
than technical qualiy.)
But if the rooms allows it, try to bounce the flash against the
ceiling for softer shadows. Beware of coloured ceilings!
The two examples below show the results of bouncing a 550EX when
I photographed a recent dinner:
http://flickr.com/photos/gisleh/16238788
http://flickr.com/photos/gisleh/16238787
Notice that the second is taken along a rather long table, but that
illumination is reasonable even all the way.
If the room does not allow you to use bounce flash, try to rent or
borrow at least two more 550EX (or 580EX) units, fit them with a
modifier that spreds the light around (e.g. a Stofen Omni bounce)
and set them up as slaves outside your image frame on both sides of
the podium (or area where the ceremony is going to take place).
Use the third 550EX as on-camera master on low power as fill flash.

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Jason/Tina - 27 Jun 2005 12:45 GMT
I would like to thank everybody for your useful and helpful info that you
gave. I have learnt a lot and will keep all that you have advised in mind
for future.
Thank you to all that spent time giving positive info/guidence and not just
negative comments of tossing in the towel.
Muchly appreciative,
Tina.
Tony Polson - 27 Jun 2005 14:10 GMT
>I would like to thank everybody for your useful and helpful info that you
>gave. I have learnt a lot and will keep all that you have advised in mind
>for future.
>Thank you to all that spent time giving positive info/guidence and not just
>negative comments of tossing in the towel.
They aren't negative comments.
When someone is so clearly taking advantage of you, you need to know.
Alan Browne - 28 Jun 2005 00:26 GMT
> I would like to thank everybody for your useful and helpful info that you
> gave. I have learnt a lot and will keep all that you have advised in mind
> for future.
> Thank you to all that spent time giving positive info/guidence and not just
> negative comments of tossing in the towel.
Tony Polson reccomends throwing in the towel as it best represents his
entire life.
Have fun with the project. It is not that difficult, and if you plan
well it will come out well. Don't sweat the small stuff. You will make
errors, but on the whole you will likely do very well.
Cheers,
Alan

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