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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / DSLR Cameras / July 2005Nikon D2X Prices
There was a previous thread about the wide variety of prices advertised for the Nikon D2X-- ranging from about $2000 to the listed retail price of $4999. That thread devolved into an argument about Nikon vs Sigma with no useful answers. I'd like some real information about these discount sites please. Anyone buy from or investigate them? What did you get? USA Warranty? Can you get service on the camera from an authorized provider in the US? Any hidden charges (like shipping, battery not included, etc?) TIA > I'd like some real information about these discount sites please. Stay away. They suck you in with a low price looking to rip you off. If you want the camera, just go to B&H or another reputable dealer and pay the $5k. At least you'll get the camera (and no hassle).  SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com > There was a previous thread about the wide variety of prices advertised > for the Nikon D2X-- ranging from about $2000 to the listed retail price [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > TIA This camera is too hot to have any significate discounts. > There was a previous thread about the wide variety of prices > advertised for the Nikon D2X-- ranging from about $2000 to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > provider in the US? Any hidden charges (like shipping, battery not > included, etc?) Those I've found that discounts the D2X has all been shameless bait & switch operations. You'll never be able to buy it from them at the advertised price. Either you pay a premium for all the overpriced "accessories" they insist you buy - and end up with paying /more than/ $5000,- for the lot, or you refuse the hard sell and suddenly find that the D2X is no longer in stock. If you believe that this is too broad, save yourself a lot of grief and check out the discounter you are about to order from at this website: http://www.resellerratings.com/ before giving them your credit card number. Signature- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kodak DCS460, Canon Powershot G5, Olympus 2020Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I'd like some real information about these discount sites please. Anyone > buy from or investigate them? What did you get? USA Warranty? Can you > get service on the camera from an authorized provider in the US? Any > hidden charges (like shipping, battery not included, etc?) Forget it. For now, the D2x is selling for $5000 at all reputable stores. The best you can do is 1-3% off due to affiliate discounts, plus any CC points. Wait until all the early adopters have purchased, and the supply is greater, then the price will start coming down. >Wait until all the early adopters have purchased, and the supply is >greater, then the price will start coming down. How many months from now? before Christmas? post-Christmas sales? when Nikon announces the "D2x killer?" never? >>Wait until all the early adopters have purchased, and the supply is >>greater, then the price will start coming down. > > How many months from now? before Christmas? post-Christmas sales? > when Nikon announces the "D2x killer?" never? Prices seldom go down on limited production items like the D2X until a replacement is released. >>>Wait until all the early adopters have purchased, and the supply is >>>greater, then the price will start coming down. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Prices seldom go down on limited production items like the D2X until a >replacement is released. Exactly what a sales person at my local photo store told me just this afternoon. The "replacement" will probably also cost about US $5,000, and will make the D2x look like last year's model. So everyone will now want the new model, so dealers will need to clear out the old model. Just like with cars. >>Wait until all the early adopters have purchased, and the supply is >>greater, then the price will start coming down. > >How many months from now? before Christmas? post-Christmas sales? >when Nikon announces the "D2x killer?" never? If I were the buyer, I'd settle for a Nikon D70 and stop whining because I can't afford the $5k. Make do with the D70 until the price on the D2x drops. -Rich >>>Wait until all the early adopters have purchased, and the supply is >>>greater, then the price will start coming down. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >price on the D2x drops. >-Rich Who is whining? Not me! I'm just like the next guy, trying to get the best price for a somewhat expensive doodad that is not connected with my job. No different than a really fast PC or a spiffy car, or whatever. Actually for me, the "make do" is Kodachrome with an N90s or a motorized F2. Kodak > I'd like some real information about these discount sites please. Anyone > buy from or investigate them? What did you get? USA Warranty? Can you > get service on the camera from an authorized provider in the US? Any > hidden charges (like shipping, battery not included, etc?) > > TIA One of the responders answered your question appropriately. And think about the age old saying - "it sounds too good to be true." You can read the negative experiences and reviews at several web sites about these "discount" retailers. Go to the retailer's website and you will find accessories way over priced, as well as the shipping cost...and from personal experience if you don't buy the accessories you will never get your camera. "Experience is the best teacher." I bought a camera from one of these a couple of years ago and had a good experience. I think it was broadway camera. They did try to sell some accessories, but in my experience, all retailers try to sell accessories at the close. I declined the accessories. The camera came with a zerox copy of the manual, not the original printed manual. I was happy to save a couple of hundred bucks for a manual on plain paper instead of glossy paper. It was probably gray market, but so what? The camera was fine and still works well today. I was plesaed with the discount. ==Doug > It was probably gray market, but so what? The camera > was fine and still works well today. If the camera ever breaks, I think you will find that Nikon USA won't repair it, not even if you're willing to pay. >> It was probably gray market, but so what? The camera >> was fine and still works well today. > If the camera ever breaks, I think you will find that Nikon USA > won't repair it, not even if you're willing to pay. Why should that bother anyone? Here in the UK we have an outfit who repair cameras called Fixation, and everyone who deals with them knows they're better than manufacturer support. Indeed, the technicians working there used to work for the manufacturer doing the exact same jobs. Surely there is an equivalent firm in the USA? Andrew. > Why should that bother anyone? Here in the UK we have an outfit who > repair cameras called Fixation, and everyone who deals with them knows > they're better than manufacturer support. Indeed, the technicians > working there used to work for the manufacturer doing the exact same > jobs. Surely there is an equivalent firm in the USA? I believe Nikon keeps tight control over repair parts for their digital SLRs, and independent agencies can get parts only after they prove that they are not using them to repair gray-market cameras. >>Why should that bother anyone? Here in the UK we have an outfit who >>repair cameras called Fixation, and everyone who deals with them knows [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > SLRs, and independent agencies can get parts only after they prove that they > are not using them to repair gray-market cameras. That's a pretty hollow argument. Any self respecting company setting up to repair anything will have secured their parts source. Air freight from Tokyo to London is only a couple of days. Douglas Not that I know of. There are many independent authorized repair centers for Nikon and Canon (some doing both brands), but they don't do all products from these manufacturers. Also, in the U.S. anyway, Nikon keeps tight control over replacement parts, because they don't want to enable the repair of Nikon cameras that were imported through any channel other than the official one. However the independent repair places are pretty good about working around this issue. Folks, I just looked at completed sales for D2X bodies. Ignoring the non-new cameras and the flakes, I found that for about four grand even you can get a D2x with either no warranty or international warranty. If you live in the USA, one is as good as the other. If you want a USA warranty from a store that claims to be an authorized Nikon dealer, that will cost you about 4300 - 4400 clams. So for an extra four C-notes, you get your USA warranty. Worth it? I think so. Note that a number of stores are now doing "Buy It Now" offers on ebay for 4400 - 4500 smackers. So pfui on the guys still charging list. F. Kodak > I just looked at completed sales for D2X bodies. Ignoring the non-new > cameras and the flakes, I found that for about four grand even you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Note that a number of stores are now doing "Buy It Now" offers on ebay > for 4400 - 4500 smackers. So pfui on the guys still charging list. I must say that it totally and utterly foolish to buy a camera body on eBay from anyone except cametaauctions. I would never dream of ever buying a digital camera off of eBay due to the extremely high fraud rate on this type of item. Yes, I'm an eBay seller and I see and know the trends. Personally, I would rather shell out the extra four C-notes and get what I paid for. Also, a local camera shop near me is selling them at $4995.95 + Tax and he can't keep them in stock. There's something to be said about having peace of mind when you hand someone $5,000. Rita >> Note that a number of stores are now doing "Buy It Now" offers on ebay >> for 4400 - 4500 smackers. So pfui on the guys still charging list. > >I must say that it totally and utterly foolish to buy a camera body on eBay >from anyone except cametaauctions. I would never dream of ever buying a Agree. Cameta Auctions is the one selling at around 4500. So we agree. >digital camera off of eBay due to the extremely high fraud rate on this type Can you give some examples? e.g. sellers? There is a whole other kind of fraud, which is stores with Google Adwords windows off erring a D2X at 2300-2800 or so. Rather than repeat the gory details, I recommend that people considering such deals go to www.resellerratings.com and get suitably warned off. >of item. Yes, I'm an eBay seller and I see and know the trends. Rita, I recognize you from some of the storage newsgroups. I know that you are a highly reputable person, so I trust your statements. >Personally, I would rather shell out the extra four C-notes and get what I >paid for. Also, a local camera shop near me is selling them at $4995.95 + >Tax and he can't keep them in stock. There's something to be said about >having peace of mind when you hand someone $5,000. For someone living in an 8% sales tax state, the difference between a local store and Cameta could be almost 1000, too much to stomach.l >Rita Abba Kodak > Agree. Cameta Auctions is the one selling at around 4500. So we > agree. Was this in an auction or was this with a $4,500 Buy It Now price? Here is a list of all their completed auctions in that price range. <http://search-completed.ebay.com/Nikon-D2X-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-BRAND-NEW-USA> Plus, the S&H of $25 is very reasonable for an eBay seller. >> digital camera off of eBay due to the extremely high fraud rate on >> this type [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > recommend that people considering such deals go to > www.resellerratings.com and get suitably warned off. I just did a quick search on D2x and this guy looks like someone I wouldn't deal with: <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7526762185> Read their feedback. I'm betting this is a grey market D2x. Also, you have to watch some of the eBay and Google/Froogle merchants using different company names, as they might very well be some of the very same less than reputable camera shops we always read about. And this auction is a definite scam! <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4392090207> >> of item. Yes, I'm an eBay seller and I see and know the trends. > > Rita, I recognize you from some of the storage newsgroups. I know > that you are a highly reputable person, so I trust your statements. Thank you, but never trust anything you read on the internet. I gave up on the storage groups since there is too much infighting and other crap between the "experts" that the S/N ratio was too high to decipher the quality posts. Rita >> Agree. Cameta Auctions is the one selling at around 4500. So we >> agree. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7526762185> Yeah, putting useless "crap" in as part of the package, well that smacks of the worst of the NY (and probably others) camera dealers who prey on people with more money than sense. I stay away from these types as far as possible. >Read their feedback. I'm betting this is a grey market D2x. >Also, you have to watch some of the eBay and Google/Froogle merchants using [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4392090207> Well, I can't tell what it is, because Ebay removed the auction, probably because it was a clear scam. >>> of item. Yes, I'm an eBay seller and I see and know the trends. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the storage groups since there is too much infighting and other crap between >the "experts" that the S/N ratio was too high to decipher the quality posts. In that group, especially with "Ron Reaugh" and "Eric Gisin" and "Folkert whats-his-name", each more arrogant than the others. I've pretty much given up on those groups also. And if I do participate, I use a "nym" so I don't get mailbombed by somesocio-pathological jerk with too much time on his/her hands. > Yeah, putting useless "crap" in as part of the package, well that > smacks of the worst of the NY (and probably others) camera dealers who > prey on people with more money than sense. I stay away from these > types as far as possible. I know. I see all that useless crap they bundle with the main item I wonder why anyone would even deal with them in the first place. >> And this auction is a definite scam! >> >> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4392090207> >> > Well, I can't tell what it is, because Ebay removed the auction, > probably because it was a clear scam. I was afraid eBay would yank it prior to you seeing it. It was your basic 24-hour auction with a low price were you have to e-mail the seller for bid pre-approval. This one had 23 hours 10 minutes left when I linked it. >> Thank you, but never trust anything you read on the internet. I >> gave up on the storage groups since there is too much infighting and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > use a "nym" so I don't get mailbombed by somesocio-pathological jerk > with too much time on his/her hands. LOL! Yes, I used to get these guys all fired up with some of their favorite topics like the old SCSI vs. SATA and AMD vs. Intel debate. It's amazing how entertaining these guys can be when you plant the seed. I remember Rod being very vile and nasty back then, but he seems to have calmed down considerable, almost like he's another person. Unfortunately, they are now like reruns of old "B" rated 60s sci-fi movies that you see once and hope you never se them again. Rita |
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