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Randy W. Sims - 02 Jun 2005 09:39 GMT

"The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, will feature support
for uncompressed digital camera images--which could change the way
people view and edit photos.

"The company on Wednesday announced deals with camera companies Nikon
and Canon, as well as Fuji Photo Film and Adobe Systems, to let Windows
users view, print and eventually edit uncompressed digital camera
images--which are stored in what's commonly known as a "raw" format.

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<http://news.com.com/Longhorn+to+get+raw+image+support/2100-1016_3-5727545.html>

or equivalently: <http://tinyurl.com/b3hst>

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Barry Pearson - 02 Jun 2005 11:41 GMT

> "The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, will feature support
> for uncompressed digital camera images--which could change the way
> people view and edit photos.

(What has "uncompressed" got to do with anything? Perhaps shorthand for
"losslessly uncompressed"? Or did it really just mean "unprocessed"?)

> "The company on Wednesday announced deals with camera companies Nikon
> and Canon, as well as Fuji Photo Film and Adobe Systems, to let Windows
> users view, print and eventually edit uncompressed digital camera
> images--which are stored in what's commonly known as a "raw" format.

[snip]

The MS press release is here:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/jun05/06-01RAWWindowsPR.asp

or equivalently: http://tinyurl.com/9corg

I don't take very seriously the last statements of the News.com
article. It says:

"Another group not expected to participate in Microsoft's public
education efforts about the raw architecture is the OpenRAW group. The
grassroots consortium wants camera manufacturers to publicly document
all of their raw image file formats: past, present and future....
Unfortunately, the group's wishes would mean camera makers would reveal
decades of closely guarded trade secrets, something Microsoft and its
partners seem unlikely to do".

No, it wouldn't mean that. The formats themselves don't reveal much, if
anything, in the way of trade secrets. And they've largely been
reverse-engineered by now anyway.

I would like to know more about how the Longhorn architecture relates
to DNG. The MS press release doesn't mention DNG at all. The News.com
article quotes Microsoft's Weisberg as saying of DNG that it "can't be
read without specialized formatted software". (So what?)

When DNG was launched 8 months ago, Weisberg said: "Microsoft has long
supported technologies that make it easier for our customers to enjoy
digital media on the PC. Adobe's leadership in proposing a universal
format for raw digital camera images will do just that. We believe that
standards such as DNG are essential to the future growth of digital
photography."

Will Longhorn provide special support for DNG? I suspect so.

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Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
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Steve Cutchen - 02 Jun 2005 13:04 GMT

More news! Longhorn to support keyboard and mouse.

=-=-=-=
Working with photos taken in RAW format
iPhoto 5 imports RAW photos just like any other photo, organizes them
right next to the rest of your shots, and lets you edit them using
advanced editing tools designed to give RAW photographers all the
options they need to create the perfect image.
Topic located in: iPhoto Help
=-=-=-=

> "The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, will feature support
> for uncompressed digital camera images--which could change the way
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Peter - 02 Jun 2005 13:38 GMT

> "The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, will feature support
> for uncompressed digital camera images--which could change the way
> people view and edit photos.

But the rest of Longhorn will be so full of DRM that you won't be able to
do anything with it :-)

<rant>Why can't MS make a lean OS without extra crap? I want my OS just to
lanch the programs I want, not to include everything.</rant>

-peter

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Hannah - 02 Jun 2005 20:22 GMT

> "The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, will feature support

What a pity Longhorn isn't coming out till about 2013.
H.

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Ryadia@Home - 02 Jun 2005 21:08 GMT

>>"The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, will feature support
>
> What a pity Longhorn isn't coming out till about 2013.
> H.

Won't matter when it does. Intel and Microsoft have joined forces to
combat copyright theft (Intel's words not mine) and the latest Pentium
chips (just released) along with Intel motherboard controller chips will
"feature" facilities to prevent pirated copies of Windows and
(presumably) Photoshop and your favorite music, hooked off the 'net,
from running.

Just when activation started to get up the nose of everyone who ever
changed a hard drive and the PC wasn't on the 'net and couldn't speak
Indian... Along comes even more invasion of your time and computer.

And you thought you owned it?
Maybe for no other reason than your own privacy, Linux might become a
real alternative. I shudder at the thought.

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Father Kodak - 12 Aug 2005 19:07 GMT

>>>"The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, will feature support
>>
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>(presumably) Photoshop and your favorite music, hooked off the 'net,
>from running.

It gets (got) worse than that. Say you wrote your own program.
Sorry, DRM won't let it run. However, Microsoft has recently
indicated that it has backed off from some of the more noxious aspects
of the Next Generation Secure Computing Platform architecture.
Methinks its more about jettisoning features so that Longhorn launches
on time, rather than offering "value" to customers.

Padre Kodak

But more below.

>Just when activation started to get up the nose of everyone who ever
>changed a hard drive and the PC wasn't on the 'net and couldn't speak
>Indian... Along comes even more invasion of your time and computer.
>
>And you thought you owned it?

Ha. The whole problem with "buying" something is that you pay only
once. Like poor Charlie on the MTA, Microsoft and others want the
people to keep paying and paying. That means "subscriptions" with
monthly or yearly charges like your electric service or cable TV.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the next version of Office
will have a subscription component. By the way, Wall Street loves
subscriptions because it creates a "more predicable" revenue stream.
In other words, users keep paying forever.

As long as you keep paying and paying, you're free to use the software
or content.

(by now Grand) Father Kodak

>Maybe for no other reason than your own privacy, Linux might become a
>real alternative. I shudder at the thought.

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DoN. Nichols - 12 Aug 2005 22:18 GMT

[ ... ]

>>Won't matter when it does. Intel and Microsoft have joined forces to
>>combat copyright theft (Intel's words not mine) and the latest Pentium
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>It gets (got) worse than that. Say you wrote your own program.
>Sorry, DRM won't let it run.

Hmm ... what if it is compiled on that system with compilers
purchased from Microsoft.

> However, Microsoft has recently
>indicated that it has backed off from some of the more noxious aspects
>of the Next Generation Secure Computing Platform architecture.
>Methinks its more about jettisoning features so that Longhorn launches
>on time, rather than offering "value" to customers.

It doesn't matter to me. I won't even use Windows XP. :-)

>Padre Kodak
>
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>>
>>And you thought you owned it?

I own mine. I just use either Sun's Solaris for the SPARC based
machines, or OpenBSD on either other SPARC machines or Intel machines.
The only thing which Windows is needed for is the annual income tax
software, now that dcraw can *properly* convert the images from the
NC2000e/c cameras (Nikon N90s cameras converted to digital by Kodak).
The D70 images are easy by comparison.

>Ha. The whole problem with "buying" something is that you pay only
>once. Like poor Charlie on the MTA, Microsoft and others want the
>people to keep paying and paying. That means "subscriptions" with
>monthly or yearly charges like your electric service or cable TV.

    I won't play *that* game. :-)

    Considering how many program which I have written which I run
frequently, I could not accept an OS which would not let me run those.

    I could see that this kind of restriction might help reduce the
flood of virus infections which we see -- and also reduce the flood of
spam, much of which is being sent from Windows machines compromised by
virus infections. So -- I have to view this with mixed feelings.

>I seem to recall reading somewhere that the next version of Office
>will have a subscription component. By the way, Wall Street loves
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>Maybe for no other reason than your own privacy, Linux might become a
>>real alternative. I shudder at the thought.

    Linux, OpenBSD, Sun's Solaris, or quite a few other choices.

    Enjoy,
        DoN.

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McLeod - 12 Aug 2005 23:33 GMT

>(by now Grand) Father Kodak

Holy crap Grandpa, you're replying to a post made on 03 Jun 05. Try
to keep up.

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Father Kodak - 13 Aug 2005 04:54 GMT

>>(by now Grand) Father Kodak
>
>Holy crap Grandpa, you're replying to a post made on 03 Jun 05. Try
>to keep up.

ah-yuh Sonny. But I ain't lost.

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ebro - 13 Aug 2005 09:31 GMT

Op zaterdag vroeg McLeod hulp van boven en hij verblijdde ons met het
volgende:

>> (by now Grand) Father Kodak
>
> Holy crap Grandpa, you're replying to a post made on 03 Jun 05. Try
> to keep up.

He was configuring his Linux machine ;-)

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