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Kodak Dektol question

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MXP - 31 Dec 2003 14:54 GMT
Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?

The reason I ask this question is that I am going to make some contrast
reducing masks using 4x5" TMAX100 film. For masks I need a soft developer
and I was told that I could use Dektol in anout 1:30 (stock dilution and
water) and then about 3 min. development time.

Does it sound right?

Max
Michael A. Covington - 31 Dec 2003 15:15 GMT
> Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?

It will develop film.  It is somewhat similar to D-19, but even faster
acting.  It acts very quickly and produces rather coarse grain.

I've never heard of diluting it 1:30.  I'd be afraid of uneven results.
MXP - 31 Dec 2003 15:36 GMT
> > Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?
>
> It will develop film.  It is somewhat similar to D-19, but even faster
> acting.  It acts very quickly and produces rather coarse grain.
>
> I've never heard of diluting it 1:30.  I'd be afraid of uneven results.

What do you think should be the about right dilution for TMAX100 then?

Max
Dale Strouse - 31 Dec 2003 17:24 GMT
> Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?
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> Max

This 1:30 dilution is one that I use in making unsharp masks. However, I
do not use TMAX for my masks, I use an ortho film, which is far cheaper.
With enough developer solution, say an 8 x 10 tray's worth and constant
agitation I have not had a problem with uneven development. Of course
you could increase the dilution to 1:15 for instance, and adjust your
times accordingly. Your goal is to get a mask that serves its purpose.
This may be a very thin mask with detail almost everywhere but the
highlights. The general rule is that the stronger the dilution the
higher the contrast of the mask. Also, you might try varrying the
development times, one for a minute or minute and a half, one for two
minutes and so on and see which combination produces the best mask for
the negative you are working with. Good luck.

Dale

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MXP - 31 Dec 2003 18:22 GMT
> > Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?
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> Dale

Thank you.
There are many variables to control for a first time contrast mask maker.
But I see
no other way to improve the quality of my Ilfochrome prints.

Max
Dennis O'Connor - 01 Jan 2004 15:37 GMT
Dale, learning unsharp masking is something I need to do...  Any suggestions
for a tutorial?

Denny

> > Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?
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> Dale
MXP - 01 Jan 2004 16:01 GMT
I got a PIN register system from Lynn Radeka......he has a homepage where
it can be ordered. In the documentation is described how do make the
different masks (Contrast masks....unsharp masks....fog masks....shadow
masks...ect).
Also the book "Post Exposure" by Ctein describe how to make a contrast mask
(which is
no exactly the same as a unsharp mask but they are closely related).

Max

> Dale, learning unsharp masking is something I need to do...  Any suggestions
> for a tutorial?
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Dennis O'Connor - 01 Jan 2004 17:25 GMT
Thanks... I have Ctein and have read that section...

Denny
> I got a PIN register system from Lynn Radeka......he has a homepage where
> it can be ordered. In the documentation is described how do make the
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Dale Strouse - 01 Jan 2004 17:42 GMT
> Dale, learning unsharp masking is something I need to do...  Any suggestions
> for a tutorial?

Try Lynn Radeka's website. You can find him at:

http://www.RadekaPhotography.com

He provides a kit with a tutorial and he also offers workshops. That is
how I learned. Good luck,

Dale

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Matt Clara - 31 Dec 2003 18:49 GMT
> Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?
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> Max

All I can say is I used it once by accident, thinking I was grabbing HC110.
I diluted 1 to 7, same as for HC110 solution B.  I was developing Ilford
FP4+ pushed to 400--about half way through developing I realized what I'd
done, but continued 'til 9 minutes, which was short by a couple minutes, but
then I conceded I didn't know what I was doing.  I stopped and fixed and was
pleasantly surprised to see workable images.  High-contrast, but workable
all the same.

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HypoBob - 31 Dec 2003 22:43 GMT
Max,

Using some info from Barry Sherman and Howard Bond, I have been making
unsharp masks with 4x5 TMX developed in Rodinal 1+30 for about 3 mins.
(You will have to test a bit to find the best time for your situation.)

This is a good use for any old Rodinal you have sitting around and are a
little shy to use on film that may contain that "once in a lifetime"
image.  ;-)

Bob
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Ken Hart - 01 Jan 2004 02:21 GMT
> Is this developer for B/W paper only?.....or is it for B/W film also?
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> Max

Developing film in Dektol is an old newspaper photographer's trick. It
typically gives a high contrast, grainy result (which was/is a "don't care"
for most newspapers), but it's fast. IIRC, about three minutes developement
time in undiluted Dektol.

I know absolutely nothing about your intended application; my response is a
historical curiosity, useful only for playing Trivial Pursuit!

Ken Hart
 
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