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Question: how dark is dark enough?

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David Nebenzahl - 12 Jan 2010 06:14 GMT
I'm about to revive my darkroom, which has been sitting gathering dust
now for a couple years. (That dust is gonna be a big problem, I know.)
So I'm wondering if the place I have in mind for it is dark enough.

It's the bottom half of my live/work space which has no windows, at the
opposite end of the room which opens into the upstairs. I sat down there
for a while tonight to see how dark it was; after a few minutes, I could
just barely make out faint lightness at the other end of the room, but
could see nothing definite.

So I'm wondering if there's a rule of thumb about how dark is dark
enough. You know, something like the "sunny 16" rule about what can be
seen with the naked eye.

Yeah, yeah, I know I could make some test exposures with paper, but you
know what? I just don't want to. I'm not planning on making any
gallery-quality prints, just want to print the last couple of rolls of
film that I shot. So if you have any rough guidelines, I'm all ears.

My impression is that it's plenty dark enough, so long as I work fairly
efficiently and don't leave paper exposed to ambient light for too long.

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JDA - 12 Jan 2010 09:36 GMT
> I'm about to revive my darkroom, which has been sitting gathering dust
> now for a couple years. (That dust is gonna be a big problem, I know.)
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> My impression is that it's plenty dark enough, so long as I work fairly
> efficiently and don't leave paper exposed to ambient light for too long.

I think it will be perfectly fine. In my (no so) darkroom I can see lots
of light under the door, and as far as the paper does not "see" it (I
don't know how express it, I just keep the sensible face of the paper
upwards: the light comes in from the floor) I never have had a problem.
Yes, I have made test exposures, no fogging.

Javier
Alvaro - 12 Jan 2010 10:13 GMT
I agree with Javier, since your paper does not face to the white light
source, it could be suitable to ensure your paper is not going to be
exposed even when that white light is mixed with the safety darkroom
safety red/orange light. It's quite difficult to get a whole room in
dark because of windows and doors, this is not essential for paper as it
is for negative film.

Alvaro

JDA escribió:
>> I'm about to revive my darkroom, which has been sitting gathering dust
>> now for a couple years. (That dust is gonna be a big problem, I know.)
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>
> Javier
Peter - 12 Jan 2010 12:53 GMT
> I'm about to revive my darkroom, which has been sitting gathering dust
> now for a couple years. (That dust is gonna be a big problem, I know.)
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>
> - a Usenet "apology"

One experiment is worth many expert opinions.

Even so, in many places, if you will work at night and have the house
lights off little preparation is needed.  What I've done at various
places where I had a darkroom is sit as you did but do so on a very
bright day with all of the house lights on (except the room I want
dark) and then try to find the source of each bit of light.  I would
then take some thick black plastic and cover that spot and repeat
until I didn't actually see anything.

What you are proposing to do will work fine unless you leave a whole
box of paper open and happen to be wrong.
Lew - 12 Jan 2010 14:51 GMT
The rule of thumb I remember is: If you can visually count your
fingers after 5 min, it's too light. There's another one about leaving
a quarter on a sheet of paper and seeing it's outline after
developing ....  but I don't remember this one.
Jean-David Beyer - 12 Jan 2010 15:31 GMT
> I'm about to revive my darkroom, which has been sitting gathering dust
> now for a couple years. (That dust is gonna be a big problem, I know.)
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> My impression is that it's plenty dark enough, so long as I work fairly
> efficiently and don't leave paper exposed to ambient light for too long.

In my experience if it is a lot darker than the safelights, I am OK. If
what you mean and what I mean by "a lot darker" is about the same.

My darkroom leaks somewhat under the door. But my darkroom is L shaped
and the door is at the far end, away from the enlarger and sink. I
cannot see the leak until I have accommodated for 5 minutes or so. I
have tested exposures of paper (not the "quarter test" but the one Kodak
specify), and I get no fogging of paper even with the safelights on.

I have done less exacting tests with film. Basically, I do not get
fogging of 400 speed or slower films. I never use faster film than that,
so I do not know what happens with those.

I was once in the darkroom of an astronomical observatory. That was
DARK! It had no windows, an "air lock" type door setup. You could not
see anything, and 20 minutes later you could still not see anything. You
could leave film "exposed" in there I imagine.

Even the loading area for Kodachrome at their Fair Lawn plant had a dim
green safelight. It was not usually on, but they turned it on for
trainees. You could not see anything except the light, so you knew which
way you were facing, but that was about all.

You surely do not need anything like these last two examples.

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David Nebenzahl - 17 Jan 2010 21:26 GMT
On 1/12/2010 7:31 AM Jean-David Beyer spake thus:

> My darkroom leaks somewhat under the door. But my darkroom is L shaped
> and the door is at the far end, away from the enlarger and sink. I
> cannot see the leak until I have accommodated for 5 minutes or so. I
> have tested exposures of paper (not the "quarter test" but the one Kodak
> specify), and I get no fogging of paper even with the safelights on.

So what exactly is the test that Kodak specifies? Googling finds no info
on this (but a lot of results about "quarter test"). And why is it
better than the quarter test?

I suppose I'll do a test when I finally fire up the darkroom again.

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Jean-David Beyer - 17 Jan 2010 23:59 GMT
> On 1/12/2010 7:31 AM Jean-David Beyer spake thus:
>
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> I suppose I'll do a test when I finally fire up the darkroom again.

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/products/techInfo/k4/k4Contents.shtml

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Richard Knoppow - 15 Jan 2010 21:15 GMT
> I'm about to revive my darkroom, which has been sitting
> gathering dust now for a couple years. (That dust is gonna
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> I work fairly efficiently and don't leave paper exposed to
> ambient light for too long.

    Its an impossible question to answer without testing.
As a rule of thumb if you can see _any_ light once your eyes
become dark-adapted, its too much. It takes a minimum of
half an hour of darkness for eyes to reach maximum
senstivity. Often a room which appears to be completely dark
at first will prove to be surprizingly bright once your eyes
get used to it.
    Since the sensitivity of film or paper is boosted by
exposure to low-level light even small amounts can cause
slight fogging.

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