> Someone gave me an old enlarger. It has no markings on it, but it came
> with a set of Paterson trays, Paterson tongs and a Paterson 3 element
> lens, so I'm guessing it is a Paterson enlarger.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM
On 5/15/2008 11:04 AM Geoffrey S. Mendelson spake thus:
>> Someone gave me an old enlarger. It has no markings on it, but it came
>> with a set of Paterson trays, Paterson tongs and a Paterson 3 element
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>
> (sorry for the split link)
Looks as if you could use a better news reader, instead of whatever's on
that Linux box you're using:
http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Paterson/Books_%26_Brochures/tn_Pat_Products.jpg
> It's the enlarger on the left side of the photograph.
In answer to your original query, no, I'm not familiar with this
specific enlarger, but have seen lots like it. Sounds cheap and flimsy,
but hey, it's an enlarger, and with a decent lens will make decent
prints. (I'm guessing that lens you got probably doesn't qualify.)

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David Nebenzahl - 15 May 2008 21:55 GMT
On 5/15/2008 1:27 PM David Nebenzahl spake thus:
> Sounds cheap and flimsy, but hey, it's an enlarger, and with a decent
> lens will make decent prints. (I'm guessing that lens you got
> probably doesn't qualify.)
To which I was going to add, just don't jiggle the table it's on while
making your exposures.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson - 16 May 2008 09:04 GMT
> Looks as if you could use a better news reader, instead of whatever's on
> that Linux box you're using:
I use SLRN. Works fine for me. The only thing I miss is a spelling checker.
> In answer to your original query, no, I'm not familiar with this
> specific enlarger, but have seen lots like it. Sounds cheap and flimsy,
> but hey, it's an enlarger, and with a decent lens will make decent
> prints. (I'm guessing that lens you got probably doesn't qualify.)
Actually it's fairly well made and stable. The only problem it has is that
the enlarger itself rotates on the pole if you are not careful. I probably
will put a small piece of stick on felt in there if I remember to buy it.
The lens was the standard 3 element cheapo enlarging lens of that era.
I use the past tense because it can not easily be opened and there is
a large star shaped splat of fungus on one of the elements.
Someone gave me a vivtar 50mm lens of the same era, without an enlarger
to go with it, now they are together.
To summarize the discussion that was here recently there are three classes
of lenses, both the Paterson and the Vivitar are probably the lowest.
For 5x7 or 8x10 prints from 35mm negatives they will do ok.
Better lenses may not in this case produce better results.
Geoff.

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savvo - 16 May 2008 11:31 GMT
> On 5/15/2008 11:04 AM Geoffrey S. Mendelson spake thus:
>> http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/
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> Looks as if you could use a better news reader, instead of whatever's on
> that Linux box you're using:
Says the guy using a mail client; Geoffrey's just misusing a rather good
newsreader.

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David Nebenzahl - 16 May 2008 18:10 GMT
On 5/16/2008 3:31 AM savvo spake thus:
>> On 5/15/2008 11:04 AM Geoffrey S. Mendelson spake thus:
>
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> Says the guy using a mail client; Geoffrey's just misusing a rather good
> newsreader.
What are you talking about? Thunderbird is both a mail and news client,
therefore as good a newsreader as any.
At least it doesn't stupidly chop URLs apart ...

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Richard Knoppow - 16 May 2008 18:36 GMT
> On 5/16/2008 3:31 AM savvo spake thus:
>
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>
> At least it doesn't stupidly chop URLs apart ...
The handling of URLs depends on how word wrapping is
set on both sides. Usually a URL can be sent as one piece by
enclosing it in carets < >.

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David Nebenzahl - 17 May 2008 02:27 GMT
On 5/16/2008 10:36 AM Richard Knoppow spake thus:
>> On 5/16/2008 3:31 AM savvo spake thus:
>>
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> set on both sides. Usually a URL can be sent as one piece by
> enclosing it in carets < >.
With a decent newsreader at both ends, that should be completely
unnecessary. We should be well past the old days of BBS markup and such ...

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erie patsellis - 17 May 2008 23:09 GMT
> What are you talking about? Thunderbird is both a mail and news client,
> therefore as good a newsreader as any.
>
> At least it doesn't stupidly chop URLs apart ...
Now if it'd only handle multipart binaries.....
erie
John - 20 May 2008 13:10 GMT
>What are you talking about? Thunderbird is both a mail and news client,
>therefore as good a newsreader as any.
>
>At least it doesn't stupidly chop URLs apart ...
Thunderbird is good for something ?
JD
David Nebenzahl - 20 May 2008 18:29 GMT
On 5/20/2008 5:10 AM John spake thus:
>>What are you talking about? Thunderbird is both a mail and news client,
>>therefore as good a newsreader as any.
>>
>>At least it doesn't stupidly chop URLs apart ...
>
> Thunderbird is good for something ?
Yes, it's a damn good mail and news client. Why don't you think so?
At this point, Forte Agent is pretty much a has-been as far as mail+news
programs go.

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jch - 21 May 2008 02:30 GMT
> On 5/20/2008 5:10 AM John spake thus:
>
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>
> Yes, it's a damn good mail and news client. Why don't you think so?
_____
I second that observation. I have been using Thunderbird (v20060302)
under OpenBSD for at least four years as an email client, and
newsreader. It is an /excellent product/. My wife uses an Apple Mac
Mini with OS-X 10.4 (a FreeBSD based OS). She also runs Thunderbird
without /any/ problems. She ran Windows 2000 Professional before, and
cut her teeth on Thunderbird. Moving to an Apple platform from Windows
was very easy; all the relevant address books, settings, and mail files
moved over without a hitch.

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