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The right darkroom book?
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AAvK - 22 Feb 2008 17:40 GMT Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on subjects such as the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and such, like bring- ing out the best sharpness and contrasty tonality with shadow detail.
The idea is a specialist book of teaching these things, I am no expert and have had very little experience in the long past... I looked in Border's books, the only two I could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too old?) and 'The Darkroom Handbook' which looked really old (as new). Maybe either book are kept up in revision? Would either book cover the current World's compilation of chemicals and films?
Any help very much appreciated,
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Max Perl - 22 Feb 2008 17:54 GMT When I worked in the darkroom I was very happy with the:
Post Exposure (Advanved Techniques for the Photographic Printer)
Written by "CTEIN" (Focal Press)
The 2nd edition I have is from year 2000.
Max
> Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on > subjects such as [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any help very much appreciated, John - 22 Feb 2008 20:06 GMT >Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on subjects such as >the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and such, like bring- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Any help very much appreciated, Most authors have moved on to the field of digital imaging though in truth I don't think materials have changed much in the last 5~10 years since the digital desimation. You might consider some of the following
The Darkroom Cookbook Author : Stephen G. Anchell Publisher : Elsevier Science & Technology Book ISBN 0240804236
The Film Developing Cookbook : Advanced Techniques for Film Developing Authors : Bill Troop & Stephen Anchell Publisher : Focal Press ISBN: 0240802772
The Darkroom Handbook Author : Michael John Langford Publisher : Knopf Publishing Group ISBN 0394724682
The Photographers Handbook Author : John Hedgecoe Publisher : Knopf Publishing Group ISBN 0679742042
Beyond the Zone System Author : Phil Davis Publisher : Focal Press ISBN 0240803434
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Peter - 24 Feb 2008 07:29 GMT > >Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on subjects such as > >the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and such, like bring- [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Johnwww.darkroompro.com Thanks for the list, but what became of www.darkroompro.com ?
John - 24 Feb 2008 14:29 GMT >Thanks for the list, but what became of www.darkroompro.com ? It's still there of course but I'm waiting for the old registrar (Godaddy) to release the domain name to the new registrar (Webmasters.com) where I'm going to be hosting the domain going forward. Unfortunately there is a 4 day holding period from the date the registrar receives the authorzation to release the domain. Also, once this was done I couldn't update the servers information so the domain still resolves to Dreahost.com which was the previous webhost. It should be released on Tuesday or Wednesday and I'll get everything back in order by Friday. In the meantime I've temporarliy uploaded everything to one of my secondary domains at www.xs750.net
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John - 13 Mar 2008 15:32 GMT >>Thanks for the list, but what became of www.darkroompro.com ? > >It's still there of course but I'm waiting for the old registrar >(Godaddy) to release the domain name to the new registrar >(Webmasters.com) Speedbump ! Well after moving everything to webmasters.com I started getting email from people on AOL saying they couldn't access it. I'm moving it back to Godaddy however webmasters.com has the domain tied up. What is up with these people ? ! Any, most everything is up at Legacy-photo.com for now. So much fun, so little time !
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Jean-David Beyer - 23 Feb 2008 16:04 GMT > Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on > subjects such as the effects that specific developers will have of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Border's books, the only two I could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too > old?) Photographic principles have not changed much since Ansel Adams wrote his books. The more recent editions (since 1981) of "The Negative" and "The Print" mainly reflect the newer materials available since the first edition was printed. Since that time, really good papers, such as Kodak's Elite, have disappeared due to decreasing demand and, allegedly, environmental concerns. There were no data for Kodak's TMax films yet; IIRC, they came out around 1982.
> and 'The Darkroom Handbook' which looked really old (as new). > Maybe either book are kept up in revision? Would either book cover the > current World's compilation of chemicals and films? The principles will be fine. The actual materials can be a little different, but in any case, you would need to run tests to cover your particular equipment and procedures.
> Any help very much appreciated,
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jjs - 23 Feb 2008 17:47 GMT >> [...] > Photographic principles have not changed much since Ansel Adams wrote his > books. The more recent editions (since 1981) of "The Negative" and "The > Print" mainly reflect the newer materials available since the first > edition > was printed. Jean-David, does the most recent version of The Print include VC papers?
As an aside, our local library has a great old book on paper flashing as a means to control contrast range. But Agfa #6 is long gone.
Jean-David Beyer - 24 Feb 2008 22:33 GMT >>> [...] >> Photographic principles have not changed much since Ansel Adams wrote [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jean-David, does the most recent version of The Print include VC papers? Mine is copyright 1983. The index cites "Variable-contrast papers 26, 30, 31, 48, 121-123.
> As an aside, our local library has a great old book on paper flashing as a > means to control contrast range. But Agfa #6 is long gone. He also discusses this in three paragraphs on page 123.
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Richard Knoppow - 25 Feb 2008 06:56 GMT >>> [...] >> Photographic principles have not changed much since Ansel [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > paper flashing as a means to control contrast range. But > Agfa #6 is long gone. Flashing is mentioned in a lot of older books. FWIW, Agfa used a different numbering system for its papers, each number being one grade softer than anyone else, until pretty late, maybe around 1980 when it adopted the ISO standard system. So "normal" contrast, which was No.2 in Kodak or Ilford was No.3 in Agfa. The first variable contrast papers were made by Ilford and Defender about 1940 or 41. I remember visiting a darkroom where Defender Varigam was in use but don't remember ever having used it myself. It had a reputation for producing lower quality prints than graded paper but that may have been from lack of skill in its use. I do have a couple of old Defender and Dupont Defender paper sample books but, unlike their Kodak and Ansco/Agfa counterparts, the samples have all become badly sulfided and oxidized so there is no way to tell what they originally looked like. I did use Defender Velour Black for a time, a good paper but being in highschool and having no money I switched to Gevaert Artex which I could get cheap.
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Bogdan Karasek - 26 Feb 2008 06:09 GMT >>> [...] >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As an aside, our local library has a great old book on paper flashing as a > means to control contrast range. But Agfa #6 is long gone. Hello, An interesting source are the books that date from before WWII and the early 50's. I have a collection of them. Pick them up at garage sales and flea markets. As somebody pointed out, photo techniques, per se, have not changed, give or take, there new films , papers but the basic techniques are valid. The majority of these books are addressed to amateur photography enthusiats, phoot club members, kids in highschool, so everything had to be well explained, step by step, what happens with each step and its relative importance, darkroom tips, loads of formulas for everything and anything. You find a lot of them in "The DarkRoom CookBook". They have diagrams for wiring, building a darkroom, plumbing, everything that a kid needs to know on how to build a darkroom with the help of his dad. I find a lot of interesting ideas, techniques that are no longer used and forgotten The chemistry is not overly academic. They give what you need to know.
When I was a kid, we used to read "Popular Mechanics" and and there would be articles on how to build you own enlarger, using tomato cans, magnifying glass, light bulb and what not. Great fun.
Cheers, Bogdan
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Ken Hart - 26 Feb 2008 06:30 GMT >>>> [...] >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > be articles on how to build you own enlarger, using tomato cans, > magnifying glass, light bulb and what not. Great fun. I remember articles like that in Pop Mech! Actually, I built an adjustable enlarger stand from plans in PM. It had a shelf that slid into slots as that larger prints could be made than the orginal baseboard would allow. (Tomato cans were used for 35mm, if you wanted medium format, you had to use coffee cans!)
Those old books can give you an interesting slant on how to 'make do' without spending a pile of money on shiny equipment.
Geoffrey S. Mendelson - 26 Feb 2008 09:34 GMT > Hello, An interesting source are the books that date from before WWII > and the early 50's. I have a collection of them. Pick them up at garage > sales and flea markets. As somebody pointed out, photo techniques, per > se, have not changed, give or take, there new films , papers but the > basic techniques are valid. ....... I remember doing exactly that in the mid 1960's. Being broke, but inventive, my first darkroom trays were the lids that large containers of potato salad, etc came in. I made an enlarger from two coffee cans, a light bulb and socket and used my camera, a Kodak Tourist 620 as the lens.
My first roll of film was a flop. I very carefully tray developed it using a red safelight as all the books said I could. Unfortunately, Kodak had since replaced Verichrome (an orthochromatic film) with Verichrome Pan (panchromatic, i.e. sensitive to red) but none of the books were new enough to mention the difference.
By the time I did my second roll, I went out and bought a cheap daylight tank.
Geoff.
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AAvK - 27 Feb 2008 13:11 GMT > Curious if there is a current book that... Okay all, thank you very much for the replies, I will save everything to a text. Much appreciated.
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