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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / October 2003Let's Put it to a Vote! Oust the Trl
Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational participation......but if not. All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your post below.  Signaturewebsite: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank : Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious : posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational : participation......but if not. : All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your : post below. He isn't in your killfile already? He was a problem in the 35mm group a while back. It was so bad that even the leica lovers started dumping on him. Now his posts simply go unanswered. SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com > : Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious > : posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a while back. It was so bad that even the leica lovers started dumping on > him. Now his posts simply go unanswered. I'll take that as a yes,....two votes do I hear three? Signaturewebsite: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank >> : Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious >> : posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I'll take that as a yes,....two votes do I hear three? Three votes >> : Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious >> : posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I'll take that as a yes,....two votes do I hear three? Four votes Personally I wouldn't vote to remove someone who is a PITA in expressing what I consider ignorance and plain stupidity as their idea of good photography... that's what the personal kill file is for. What I do find more offensive, equally stupid and without merit of any sort and elietist is signatures like: "Keep working millions on welfare depend on you". This, to me is a vulgar mentallity and deserves to share the kill file space with the other troolers. Just my openion Bruce Brooklyn, N.Y. http://www.hometown.aol.com/camclicker > Just my openion Are you from Scotland? Ralf SignatureRalf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Apr. 11, 2003 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses <snip> > This, to me is a vulgar mentallity and deserves to share the kill file space with the other troolers. Is it? Ok, so do it, otherwise it's OT to the thread at hand. I ask you don't change the subject to make your point. Thanks. Signaturewebsite: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank On 10/9/2003 8:11 AM Bruce Osgood spake thus: > Personally I wouldn't vote to remove someone who is a PITA in expressing what I > consider ignorance and plain stupidity as their idea of good photography... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just my openion Thanks for broaching that subject, and I have to say I agree with you. Frank, do you realize your sig isn't even grammatical? It sounds like a robotic monotone when you read it. It would at least help if you'd separate the two clauses in there with some punctuation (that's why they invented those itty bitty little marks), like "Keep working: millions on welfare ...". Better yet, just drop it: it's misinformation of the worst kind SignatureCall the American Teleservices Association at (317) 816-9336 and let them know just how much you appreciate their "services". Telephone # courtesy of Dave Barry (yes, that Dave Barry). (Read all about it on Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/05/1350243.shtml?tid=103&tid=133&tid=158&tid= 186&tid=99) What are you talking about? When I open the newsreader all I can see is a lot of responses (usually flames) to someone I cannot see the original messages??? (-: Jorge "Gregory W. Blank" <Whowill-hearawho@Hortons.net> wrote in news:jFchb.46 $mJ.12@nwrddc03.gnilink.net: > Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious > posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational > participation......but if not. > > All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your > post below. > What are you talking about? > When I open the newsreader all I can see is a lot of responses (usually > flames) to someone I cannot see the original messages??? Garbage. And not just some ONE is dumping it. And making a practice of it. Dan > Garbage. And not just some ONE is dumping it. And making a practice > of it. Dan Dan are you implying that the individual in question is more than one person,.....or what are you saying. Signaturewebsite: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank > Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious > posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > website: > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank Greg, I've never kill filed anyone but I think I have to go with you on this one. It is truly unfortunate and I don't cast this vote lightly. Sherman http://www.dunnamphoto.com On 10/9/2003 5:38 AM Gregory W. Blank spake thus: > Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious > posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational > participation......but if not. > > All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your > post below. About "kill-filing" or "kill-filtering": First of all, this is not something you put to a vote of the group. It's something you chose to do or not to do, and requires no interaction with anyone else. Secondly, even though I have this capability available to me, I choose not to use it. Basically, it amounts to self-censorship, which is just as idiotic and useless as censorship imposed from outside. It results in viewing a newsgroup through killfile-colored glasses, which is a distorted view. There's already a very simple, very effective mechanism for dealing with posts you disagree with, or ones that raise your blood pressure, or whatver: DON'T READ THEM. Simple. Like the power switch on your TV set. Lastly, if this is to be taken as any kind of plea for kicking anyone (say, Michael Scarptti) off the newsgroup, then I must say that even if this were possible--which it is not, since this is an unmoderated group--I would be against it. I find his posts *extremely* irritating, ill-informed, spiteful, obnoxious and idiotic, but I would defend to the proverbial death his right to make them. Remember what "free speech" is really all about. It's not popular speech or speech that you agree with that needs defending: it's just this kind of speech, the kind that gets under your skin and makes you want to wring the neck of the speaker, that needs defending the most. Otherwise you have a bunch of people basically all agreeing with one another, which in my view is just a couple of steps away from euthenasia, dementia, or complete brain death. SignatureCall the American Teleservices Association at (317) 816-9336 and let them know just how much you appreciate their "services". Telephone # courtesy of Dave Barry (yes, that Dave Barry). (Read all about it on Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/05/1350243.shtml?tid=103&tid=133&tid=158&tid= 186&tid=99) > Lastly, if this is to be taken as any kind of plea for kicking anyone (say, > Michael Scarptti) off the newsgroup, but I would defend to the >proverbial death his right to make them. David you missed the point big time. Its about you!!! Hahahahahahahaha >:-D Actually you will note that I specifically stated this was an exercise to see how many people felt that level of frustration. What one chooses to do to solve the issue is their own business. Then again if everyone chooses the same action, using a kill file. no one is left to be argued with, by the party in question. As for free speach, the party on question is free to respond all they wish but the question is the "who will be left to hear them" do you "see" the irony in all this. Signaturewebsite: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank On 10/9/2003 11:55 AM Gregory W. Blank spake thus: > >> Lastly, if this is to be taken as any kind of plea for kicking anyone (say, >> Michael Scarptti) off the newsgroup, but I would defend to the >>proverbial death his right to make them. The only thing I'd ask of you is that if you quote someone, don't mangle their quotes. You edited my comment (without so indicating) by removing large parts of it in such a way that it came out ungrammatically and just doesn't make much sense. Like anywhere else, if you omit part of a quote (which is perfectly OK to do), then indicate it with "..." or equivalent. This is very basic Usenet stuff. SignatureCall the American Teleservices Association at (317) 816-9336 and let them know just how much you appreciate their "services". Telephone # courtesy of Dave Barry (yes, that Dave Barry). (Read all about it on Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/05/1350243.shtml?tid=103&tid=133&tid=158&tid= 186&tid=99) David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message > About "kill-filing" or "kill-filtering": > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > of people basically all agreeing with one another, which in my view is just a > couple of steps away from euthenasia, dementia, or complete brain death. I agree. I've never done a kill filter, and doubt I ever would. I DID have to report Michael, though, to yahoo for harassing emails, which are different than the NG's. Now my mission is to try and not have some newbie think his word is golden. Alexis www.alexisneel.com : David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message : > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] : > of people basically all agreeing with one another, which in my view is just a : > couple of steps away from euthenasia, dementia, or complete brain death. : I agree. I've never done a kill filter, and doubt I ever would. I : DID have to report Michael, though, to yahoo for harassing emails, : which are different than the NG's. Now my mission is to try and not : have some newbie think his word is golden. All you have to do is invite the newbies to look at the waste of film that scarpitti has on his website and the what you have on yours. It's clear to anyone that can see straight that scarpitti is a below average a composition, can't get the exposure right, and is terrible in the darkroom when printing. When you combine that with his statements that landscapes are drek and that he guesses at the exposure I doubt many newbies are going to pay much attention to him. After all he is only a troll and it shows. SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com >David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >DID have to report Michael, though, to yahoo for harassing emails, >which are different than the NG's. Aha! So you got Emails, too? Well, I did also, although I would not call them harassing; rather more like looking for help of some kind. That is puzzling, since I do disagree with a lot of the points he has made, although, not all, and have expressed disapproval of his manner in almost all posts. I got a bounce back to my reply to his second Email, I resent this morning and got a second bounce. The reason stated in both cases was: =========================================== ><mikescarpitti@yahoo.com>: >64.156.215.6 failed after I sent the message. >Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd >Sorry, your message to mikescarpitti@yahoo.com >annot be delivered. This account is over quota. > >- mta214.mail.scd.yahoo.com =========================================== So, it looks like your reporting might have caused the bounce. In addition it alsocould be inferpreted that Scarpitti is having dealings with too many people, possibly involving being on line 24/7 to deal with it all, and the traffic reflects a sad mental state. We may have only a short time time to have to bear his presence here, due to his own self destructive actions. I won't be killfiling him' he will, therefore not earn the dubious distinction of being my first. > Now my mission is to try and not >have some newbie think his word is golden. Noted and applauded. >Alexis >www.alexisneel.com Robert Vervoordt, MFA > >David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Robert Vervoordt, MFA I receive hundreds of 'Microsift' messages a day, probably as a result of my posting my e-mail,address here. >> >David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message >> >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >I receive hundreds of 'Microsift' messages a day, probably as a result >of my posting my e-mail,address here. So do I , but my other traffic has not been affected. Robert Vervoordt, MFA I don't even see the troll because I have already got message content rules that cover most or all of the instances in all newsgroups. This seems to be a good solution since unfed trolls will eventually die. > Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious > posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational > participation......but if not. > > All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your > post below. > Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious > posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational > participation......but if not. > > All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your > post below. Maybe he'll give up and crawl back under his rock if we just stopped replying to his posts. Mike Sullivan Amen >Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious >posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational >participation......but if not. > >All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your >post below. > Amen > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Just as an exercise in curiosity, I killfiled an individual in this group and then reopened my message window. The number of visible posts dropped by about 20%. When someone takes up 20% of a Usenet group's bandwidth that tells me somebody has too much time on their hands! SignatureSean Elkins RKBA Owenton, KY > Maybe in one last effort to correct all these obnoxious > posts we can pull him back to a less confrontational > participation......but if not. > > All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your > post below. I'll vote for it. I'll never respond to his posts from now on. I hope everybody does the same. >All those in favor of Kill fileing you know who, add your >post below. You all are very kind. I killfiled him several weeks ago. Regards John S. Douglas, Photographer http://www.darkroompro.com reply to john@darkroompro.com > You all are very kind. I killfiled him several weeks ago. But John he thinks those wo put him in their kill files, need him the most ;-) Signaturewebsite: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank >> You all are very kind. I killfiled him several weeks ago. > >But John he thinks those wo put him in their kill files, need him the >most ;-) OMYGOD! John Douglas needs Michael Scarpitti!? That has to be the Saturday Night Live premise for a skit in this newsgroup. LOL - <gasp> - LOL Robert Vervoordt, MFA >>> You all are very kind. I killfiled him several weeks ago. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >LOL - <gasp> - LOL Well sounds a little more like the Twilight Zone to me. ;>)) The truly sad part is that he may actually have something to offer but now few will listen. Regards John S. Douglas, Photographer http://www.darkroompro.com reply to john@darkroompro.com >>>> You all are very kind. I killfiled him several weeks ago. >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The truly sad part is that he may actually have something to offer but now >few will listen. I agree. Sad, and just about all his own doing. Now, don't laugh, or not too loud, John, but I got a personal Email from one of the good regulars who suggested I email you for help with setting Scarpitti in the killfile. You know I hate the thought of those things. Well, I tried it on my own and killfiled messages from Scarpitti in... Eudora. Well, at least I won't have to hear pleading from that direction. I know you said to ignore him, but there was something in his need and background that I found familiar. He's a lttle like I was in my early days in his search for and adoption of "truth in tonality" or something like that. I was a mess, but this guy is hopeless. Robert Vervoordt, MFA > I know you said to ignore him, but there was something in his need and > background that I found familiar. He's a lttle like I was in my early [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Robert Vervoordt, MFA What are you talking about? I have never in my life run into as many of the 'unenlightened' as in the field of photography. Just a hint, people. I'm not here to 'make friends'. I'm here to offer technical advice. TRUE technical advice, not Zombie System (be sure to capitalize it! And don't forget you ROMAN NUMERALS!). If there's any more HOPELESS group on the planet Earth, it's Zoneheads. I defy ANYONE to produce better quality 35mm work than what I can. >I have never in my life run into as many of the 'unenlightened' as in >the field of photography. >I defy ANYONE to produce better quality 35mm work than what I can. Photography also has an inappropriate number of know-it-alls - including one named Scarpitti. Welcome to my killfile. Ed >> You all are very kind. I killfiled him several weeks ago. > >But John he thinks those wo put him in their kill files, need him the >most ;-) No doubt we need to be saved from our self-inflicted errors. I have little stomach for such blather. Regards, John - Photographer & Webmaster Website - http://www.darkroompro.com Please delete the "_" if replying by mail. |
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