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New/different method for reversal processing of b/w films?

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sreenath - 28 Jun 2007 08:10 GMT
I am seeking comments from the newsgroup about a "new/different" idea
that I have for reversal processing of b/w film.

I thought of this method since I am hesitant to use potassium
dichromate (I have a KG of this stuff unused
for past 7 years), or potassium permanganate(sp?) and acids.

Here are the steps:

1. Expose and develop film
2. Wash the film while it is still in the tank. DO NOT FIX.

3. Use  sulfide or thiourea to convert the remaining halide (this
would be the positive image)
   Now the entire silver halide has been converted to either silver
metal(because of development) and
   some sulfide. There is no more halide left in the film.

4. Use rehaloginating bleach (ferricyanide+ bromide) This will convert
the metallic silver(-ve image) to halide.

5. Fix the film. Negative image is removed by the fixer, and the
positive image, in form of silver sulfide
  remains. Sepia toning is already done!

My question is, would this work?
The major question is about step 4. I am assuming that the
rehaloginating would convert just the silver, but not the
silver sulfide.

Is this assumption valid?
I know this is a round-about way of reversal processing, if at all
this works, but I am still curious.

thanks for your comments,
Sreenath
Richard Knoppow - 28 Jun 2007 09:39 GMT
>I am seeking comments from the newsgroup about a
>"new/different" idea
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> thanks for your comments,
> Sreenath
Richard Knoppow - 28 Jun 2007 09:39 GMT
>I am seeking comments from the newsgroup about a
>"new/different" idea
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> thanks for your comments,
> Sreenath

  Your reasoning is correct. I don't know why this has not
been done in the past. It was common to use a solution of
sulfide to redevelop in reversal processing. I think this
would work here also although its possible that the
ferricyanide bleach would not convert all of the silver. I
think it deserves to be tested. There are a number of old
formulas for toning motion picture and slide films with
stronger bleaches than are used for sepia toning prints, one
of them might work. AFAIK, silver sulfide is not affected by
ferricyanide bleach.

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sreenath - 29 Jun 2007 07:09 GMT
> >I am seeking comments from the newsgroup about a
> >"new/different" idea
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> Los Angeles, CA, USA
> dickb...@ix.netcom.com

Thanks for your views.
I will test this one of these days and post the results.

-Sreenath
Richard Knoppow - 01 Jul 2007 23:57 GMT
> On Jun 28, 1:39 pm, "Richard Knoppow"
> <dickb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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>
> -Sreenath

   If you look at how color reversal is done your idea is
rather similar. In color processing its not necessary to
remove the silver from the negative image until the very
last step. What makes this possible is that the first
developer does not react with the color couplers to produce
dye but the reversal developer does. So, the film is
developed first to get a negative silver image wit no dye
then developed again in the chromogenic developer. Since the
only halide left for the second developer to work on is what
is left over from the first developer the result is a
positive silver image along with the dye image. The silver
is removed by a bleach leaving the dye behind. Your idea
also proposes two different developers, the first the normal
negative developer producing a negative silver image, the
second a developer, namely the sulfide, which converts the
remaining halide to silver sulfide but does not affect the
first, silver, image. Then, if the metallic silver image is
removed using a bleach which does not affect the sulfide
image the resulit should be a sepia colored positive image.
This really should work.

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