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peter.desmidt@gmail.com - 27 Jun 2007 00:29 GMT

Well, I haven't been here in a few years. Hopefully, the signal-to-
noise ratio has improved. It's nice to see posts from some familier
people. I spent the last couple days shooting infrared in 4x5 and 120
and developing in Pyrocat.

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Peter De Smidt
www.desmidt.net

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Nicholas O. Lindan - 27 Jun 2007 18:26 GMT

> Hopefully, [rpd's] signal-to-noise ratio has improved.

Your arrival has just doubled it [the signal]. Been rather
quiet around here.

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peter.desmidt@gmail.com - 27 Jun 2007 22:11 GMT

Hi Nick,

Yeah, I hadn't looked at the dates of posts. It's not quite the same
as the early to mid 90s.

I feel bad about the brouhaha about your enlarging timer on APUG. It
looks like a great piece of kit. I'd get one, but I've been using a
different f-stop timer for years, and I really can't justify getting
another one. I hope that it's selling well for you. F-stop timing is
really the way to go.

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Richard Knoppow - 27 Jun 2007 23:08 GMT

> Hi Nick,
>
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> F-stop timing is
> really the way to go.

Traffic in all the photography lists have fallen off. I
think part of it is the move to digital photography but much
must also be due to web based forums and private mailing
lists. Also, I think a lot of people who are relatively new
to the internet don't know about Usenet groups. My ISP
(Earthlink) definitely treats them as an afterthought.
I still read the large-format and darkroom groups but
don't often post any more. A few of the old timers are still
here but the groups are really in a rather sorry state.

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Jean-David Beyer - 28 Jun 2007 01:35 GMT

>> Hi Nick,
>>
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> don't often post any more. A few of the old timers are still
> here but the groups are really in a rather sorry state.

I think another reason is the increase in flamers and spammers who
discourage others from participating much.

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Richard Knoppow - 28 Jun 2007 09:41 GMT

>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
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> spammers who
> discourage others from participating much.

That doesn't seem to have happened so much on the large
format and darkroom groups but I have seen other groups
destroyed by a single person. Unfortunately, many ISP's just
don't bother with abuse complaints.

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David Nebenzahl - 28 Jun 2007 17:41 GMT

Richard Knoppow spake thus:

>>>> Yeah, I hadn't looked at the dates of posts. It's not quite the
>>>> same as the early to mid 90s.
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> person. Unfortunately, many ISP's just don't bother with abuse
> complaints.

Correction: *most* ISPs will do *nothing* about any complaints.
(Sometimes rightly, sometimes cravenly: after all, there still is this
thing called "freedom of speech", at least theoretically ...)

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