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Lofty - 25 Jun 2007 22:30 GMT
Hi All,

Have just started using Forte Polywarmtone FB paper, using Agfa neutol
warmtone dev, however I cannot find any instructions as to what filtration
to use
for different grades needed. I have a Durst 707 enlarger.
Can anyone please help with the filtration for grades 2 -3 - 4 - 5

Thanks in advance

lofty
David Nebenzahl - 25 Jun 2007 23:10 GMT
Lofty spake thus:

> Have just started using Forte Polywarmtone FB paper, using Agfa neutol
> warmtone dev, however I cannot find any instructions as to what filtration
> to use
> for different grades needed. I have a Durst 707 enlarger.
> Can anyone please help with the filtration for grades 2 -3 - 4 - 5

I'd be surprised if a set of Ilford filters didn't work admirably.

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Richard Knoppow - 26 Jun 2007 23:41 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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>
> lofty

   Does Forte recommend any particular brand of VC filters?
If so you may be able to get the corresponding filter
settings for Durst. Kodak had such charts on its paper data
sheets which I think are still on the web site. I haven't
checked Ilford data sheets but the use of color heads for VC
printing is so common I suspect they must.
   Each VC paper is a bit different so using settings for
one kind of paper for another may not result in the correct
grade, spacings, or exposure compensation but they will be
at least in the ball park.

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Bogdan Karasek - 03 Jul 2007 02:17 GMT
Hi,

I don't know  that starting with Forte paper is such a good idea.  The
plant has been shut down since February and there is no more Forte paper
being made, unless the paper has been resurrected by another company.
There was talk that Kentmere might be interested but I haven't heard if
that went anywhere.

Same for using Afga products. I used to use Agfa Neutol warmtone until
Agfa stopped making photo chemicals, paper and certain films.  Again,
has something changed???

Cheers,
Bogdan

>>Hi All,
>>
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> grade, spacings, or exposure compensation but they will be
> at least in the ball park.

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Richard Knoppow - 07 Jul 2007 04:22 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Cheers,
> Bogdan

  Snipping...

    This is a serious problem now. Agfa is simply out of
the photographic materials business and Kodak has
discontinued papers. That leaves Ilford and to some extent
Kentmere. Both Agfa and Kodak had extensive laboratory
facilities and good quality controll, especially Kodak. I
think Ilford still has some lab facilities and pretty good
QC, not sure of Kentmere, but the small European
manufacturers probably are only following formulas and
techniques inhereted from larger companies. Its hard to know
even which brands are actually made by the company who's
name is on them. For instance Bergger seems to be rebranded
material from someone else. Both Ilford and Kentmere have
traditionally made paper on a contract basis. Ilford
announced at one time that they would discontinue the
practice but it appears that they have not. The problem is
getting any real technical data on these materials. This was
never a problem with Kodak, Agfa, or Ilford. Ilford seems to
be the one remaining "major league" company in the paper
business. I do not include Fuji because they do not sell
their B&W papers outside of Japan.

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pico - 07 Jul 2007 18:20 GMT
> [... snip excellent article ...]
> I do not include Fuji because they do not sell
> their B&W papers outside of Japan.

Isn't there some way around that? Find a decent agent in Japan to ship
it to us?  Anyone here living in Japan who would like to negotiate a
shipment of a few thousand sheets?

BTW, Richard, regarding quality control I find so many people today who
for the purpose of maximizing capital will bypass QC, believing that the
necessary refinements of the process and components has come to near
perfection. They have no freaking clue as to the critical factors.
Richard Knoppow - 08 Jul 2007 02:05 GMT
>> [... snip excellent article ...]
> > I do not include Fuji because they do not sell
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> of the process and components has come to near perfection.
> They have no freaking clue as to the critical factors.

    Probably true. The trouble is that publically traded
companies worry much more about stock market performance
than about what they make or do.
    I suppose there are ways of obtaining Fuji B&W paper
outside of Japan but it sure would be nice if I could run up
to Freestyle and just buy it off the shelf. It s reputedly
excellent stuff.

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Lofty - 08 Jul 2007 23:53 GMT
I purchased my Forte polywarmtone from a guy who went 100% digital. £5 for a
brand new box 16x12"
great deal. I dev'd it in Agfa neutol WA results were fab.
Kentmere is still being made in England

lofty

> >> [... snip excellent article ...]
> > > I do not include Fuji because they do not sell
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> to Freestyle and just buy it off the shelf. It s reputedly
> excellent stuff.
Richard Knoppow - 09 Jul 2007 04:56 GMT
>I purchased my Forte polywarmtone from a guy who went 100%
>digital. £5 for a
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>
> lofty

  Sounds like a very good deal. I've had good experience
with Kentmere BTW. They make some good warm tone paper. I've
never been sure what is in Neutol WA, Agfa used some pretty
exotic developing agents but there are other public formulas
for warm tone developers in case you want to try mixing your
own.

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Paul Mead - 21 Aug 2007 14:43 GMT
>Hi All,
>
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>
>lofty

I'm not sure whether you still need this, but I've got a copy of the
usage instructions for the RC version of this paper if you're
interested? Includes grade information.
 
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