June 25, 2007, from Lloyd Erlick,
Last year I got some Glycin and made a lot of
prints using the Edwal 102 print developer
formula. I substituted potassium sulfite for
the sodium salt in the original formula.
Here it is:
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Edwal 102 Glycin-Only Print Developer,
partial-Potassium version,
Working Solution
Water 1000 ml
Potassium Sulfite anhydrous 25 g
Sodium Phosphate Tribasic 30 g
Glycin 6 g
Potassium Bromide 0.5-6 g (I use 3
grams)
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NOTE: Potassium Sulfite is produced in
solution by combining Potassium Metabisulfite
2 parts and Potassium Hydroxide one part to
yield three parts Potassium Sulfite. This is
approximate but close to exact (error around
five per cent).
For the above formula, combine 17.7 grams
Potassium Metabisulfite plus 9 grams
Potassium Hydroxide, for 25.4 grams Potassium
Sulfite.
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I'd like advice from those with confidence in
their chemical acumen on two points:
1) Is the above method of producing potassium
sulfite in solution correct? I think I might
have learned it from this forum, but I
forget.
2) I'd like to go the next step into
Potassium Land, and replace Trisodium
Phosphate with Potassium Phosphate
Monohydrate (I just bought almost four
kilograms). I'm sure the TSP is a hydrate
too, but I don't know. It's the commonly
available form; I got it from Canadian Tire!
Naturally, I'd like to know how much of the
potassium salt to use.
Thanks for all assistance ...
regards,
--le
PS -- the reason for substituting potassium
salts is that warm tone print material is
sensitive to it. Sodium salts yield a cooler
tone. When all sodium is replaced by
potassium the results are very noticeably
warmed up.
In fact, I've found that Forte PolyWarmtone
gets so warm as to be decidedly red (ish).
More than even I like, too.
My plan is to make excessively (potentially,
at least) warm prints on Forte, and gold tone
them. I've found gold toner changes the image
tone to a very neutral, and attractive,
black; I've only done this on Ilford MGW
Warmtone so far. I'm hoping the Forte will
remain at least slightly warm after gold
toning.
Thanks again to all.
regards,
--le
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sreenath - 26 Jun 2007 07:05 GMT
> June 25, 2007, from Lloyd Erlick,
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Potassium metabisulfite is used along with hydroxide during Rodinal
(or its clones) preparation. So this must be right.
>From L.P.Clerc "potassium sulfite is more soluble in water than the
sodium salt, and when it is desired to use potassium sulfite, it is
prepared in the solution by using potassium metabisulfite".
Perhaps potassium metabisulfite keeps better than sulfite?
Aside: I use p-aminophenol in paper developer when I want warm tones
with Ilford MG Warmtone(Fiber) paper. The tones are distinctly warm,
but not reddish as you seem to be getting with Glycin and potassium
salts.
Do you know of any way to get brownish/redish tones on Ilford MG
Warmtone without Glycin? I can't get Glycin in India.
-Sreenath
Geoffrey S. Mendelson - 26 Jun 2007 09:25 GMT
> Do you know of any way to get brownish/redish tones on Ilford MG
> Warmtone without Glycin? I can't get Glycin in India.
I have a similar problem here in Israel. Just out of curiosity what
do you use?
A method that has worked for me is to have friends or relatives buy
it for me in the U.S. and ship it here surface mail. Before 9/11
no one really cared what was in your baggage since then almost all
photographic chemicals are forbidden to be in luggage, even if
it is checked nor can it be sent airmail.
Geoff.

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Nicholas O. Lindan - 26 Jun 2007 13:58 GMT
> Do you know of any way to get brownish/redish tones on Ilford MG
> Warmtone without Glycin? I can't get Glycin in India.
Try Hydroquinone-only developers.
Gevaert 262:
warm water 125 F 750 ml
sodium sulfite 70 g
hydroquinone 25 g
sodium carbonate 90 g
potassium bromide 2 g
cold water to make 1000 ml
Dilute 1:6, paper will need lots of exposure at this dilution.

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