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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / March 2007i need some Kodabromide paper!
hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? No. Discontinued about 18 years ago. > > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? > > No. Discontinued about 18 years ago. You know, about 20 years back i was inundated by high school kids asking for a long-discontinued (Azo?) paper. Turns out the school photography instructor required it for his class. Called him up, and was told all his class notes were based on it. He knew it was unavailable, but for another paper he'd have to revise his notes. By continuing to require it, the KIDS were wrong (by not using it), not him. > Called him up, and was told all his class notes were based on it. He > knew it was unavailable, but for another paper he'd have to revise his > notes. By continuing to require it, the KIDS were wrong (by not using > it), not him. Bangs head against wall. Nice attitude. Pete  Signaturehttp://www.petezilla.co.uk >> > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > notes. By continuing to require it, the KIDS were wrong (by not using > it), not him. You've just met an authentic, dyed in the wool, intractable, card carrying liberal. Nothing is every "their" fault. And they wonder why thinking people distrust, and so many times hate, them so much. ;-) Stef > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? Freestyle sells bromide papers. Entering bromide in the search box and selecting fiber based papers from the results give you 93 possibilites. Perhaps one of them will be close enough for your needs. http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_search.php?rfnp=50&q=bromide&rfnc=504& You can call or email them and ask for advice. Geoff. SignatureGeoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ > > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 > Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? I do not, but when I used it (in the early 1970s) I found it unsatisfactory for most of my work. I was not very well informed in those days. Later I found out its Dmax was about 1.7 wheras most other photo papers had a Dmax almost 2 and many now have Dmax around 2.2 or 2.3. So why would you want that stuff? If anyone still has any lying around, it is probably fogged. Signature.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 10:05:01 up 33 days, 21:30, 3 users, load average: 4.04, 4.18, 4.23 > when I used [Kodabromide] (in the early 1970s) I found it unsatisfactory > for most of my work. I was not very well informed in those days. Later I > found out its Dmax was about 1.7 Kodabromide was very sensitive to developer dilution and age. It would only work with Dektol 1:2 if the developer was _very_ fresh. It went reliably to 2.1 with 1:1 or full-strength Dektol. Developing time at 1:1 dilution had to be extended [up to 6 minutes] if the developer was old. If Kodabromide is specified for a class, look out. Any instructor specifying Kodabromide in 2007 has his head very far up his patooty. For fun get hold of an old empty KB box and fill it with Ilford MC - bet he didn't know KB worked with VC filters. > most other photo papers had a Dmax > almost 2 and many now have Dmax around 2.2 or 2.3. Ilford MGIV FB Warm-tone can hit 2.5. This is typical of many warm-tone papers, with the exception of Forte. 2.5 is far more than needed unless the print will be illuminated with a klieg light. Shadow detail in warm tone paper is marvelous when the print is back illuminated. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com >> when I used [Kodabromide] (in the early 1970s) I found it unsatisfactory >> for most of my work. I was not very well informed in those days. Later I >> found out its Dmax was about 1.7 > > Kodabromide was very sensitive to developer dilution and age. It > would only work with Dektol 1:2 if the developer was _very_ fresh. Kodak recommended 1:2 with D-72 and Dektol. > It went reliably to 2.1 with 1:1 or full-strength Dektol. Possibly. According to their data sheets, Grade 5 would go up to 1.9, and Grade 2 would make it barely up to 1.7 in Dektol 1:2 at 68F for 90 seconds, and IIRC, this is about what I could get. BTW, to get the densities I list, these were when the paper was completely shouldered off, and you probably would not print that dark in those days. Polycontrast paper, in those days would go to 2.2. These are all for the F surface. All this from the 1985 edition of their publication G-1. > Developing time at 1:1 dilution had to be extended [up to 6 minutes] > if the developer was old. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the print will be illuminated with a klieg light. Shadow detail in > warm tone paper is marvelous when the print is back illuminated. Signature.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 08:45:01 up 34 days, 20:10, 2 users, load average: 4.10, 4.08, 4.02 > Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: > > > - lots of stuff about D-Max, Kodabromide and development - Pedantic statement on D-Max for those who have joined us recently: The whole D-Max thing can be a can of worms: to get to maximum black the paper has to be _really_ overexposed, to such an extent that a final print has no shadow detail. Visually it is when a print from a step tablet has two blacks that can not be distinguished: by that point a 0.3 stop (0.1 OD) density change in shadow detail is compressed to nothing. It is best to print for blacks of 2.0 and no more, by 2.0 the blacks don't look any blacker under normal viewing conditions. But the higher a paper's D-Max the straighter it's HD curve when it passes through 2.0 and hence more shadow _detail_. A higher D-Max number for a paper equals more shadow detail. A higher D-Max number for a paper does not equal blacker blacks. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com >> Nicholas O. Lindan wrote: >>>> - lots of stuff about D-Max, Kodabromide and development - [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > A higher D-Max number for a paper equals more shadow detail. > A higher D-Max number for a paper does not equal blacker blacks. What I do to get closer to the paper's Dmax is to expose my film by one stop. I.e., I get a net density of about 0.9 for Zone V with normal development. Usually the Zone I density comes in about 0.25 to 0.3 instead of the 0.1 that Ansel Adams used to use. But when he was working, a Dmax for paper above about 2 was unusual. Also, films in those days tended to have a shoulder somewhere about Zone IX. Modern films do not have a shoulder anywhere near where you would be likely to use them. Thus, unless you cannot get a faster film and have no light, it is quite practical to "overexpose" your film by about one stop. With this procedure, I do not lack in shadow detail, and I do get blacker blacks. Signature.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 10:15:01 up 34 days, 21:40, 3 users, load average: 4.16, 4.14, 4.12 > > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org > ^^-^^ 10:05:01 up 33 days, 21:30, 3 users, load average: 4.04, 4.18, 4.23 I have some lying around; its not fogged. Anyone have some Opal V? > Anyone have some Opal V? Aww, I remember that - just barely. How long ago WAS that? As I recall, it was very heavy, warm-toned, and the surface re-defined "matte" - really only suitable for full-face portraits. > In article > <1174725574.133463.109690@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > surface re-defined > "matte" - really only suitable for full-face portraits. I am looking at a sample of the stuff now. V was a very matte surface, no reflection at all, with a definite tooth almost like mild sandpaper. V was on cream paper. The same surface, but on old ivory tinted paper was sold as Type W. Opal was also available in this surface. The samples I have are from the early 1950's. I looked at a number of Kodak Reference Handbooks and other sources and, evidently, the V surface was made mainly in the 1950's, I find no sign of it in 1940's publications. The stock was standard double-weight but the surface may give the impression that the paper is thicker. I used a lot of Opal, mostly in G surface many years ago. It was Kodak's standard studio portrait paper. Available in Grade-2 only but in a dozen or more combinations of stock tints, surfaces, and textures. The same emulsion was coated on pure white paper as Illustrator's Special. Ektalure had a similar look to Opal but was much faster. I don't know when Opal was discontinued, it may have been made as late as the 1970's. All these very diffusing surfaces and textures were made to reduce the amount of retouching needed on prints. I suspect that V was also a good surface for hand oil coloring. Signature--- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org > ^^-^^ 10:05:01 up 33 days, 21:30, 3 users, load average: 4.04, 4.18, 4.23 hi everyone > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide > paper??? Kodabromide was discontinued many years ago. Its possible someone has had some frozen but paper kept under normal storage will probably be badly fogged and useless. Why exactly do you want this paper? Signature--- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? Nope. But if you find any, ask them if they have any Medalist. Hated Kodabromide. Prints had a slight greenish tint to my eyes. Loved Medalist. Cried when it was discontinued. Stef > > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stef Medalist? Medalist was crap! Kodabromide was far better, but neither was close to Velour Black. Kodak paper sucked! >> > hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Medalist? Medalist was crap! Kodabromide was far better, but neither > was close to Velour Black. Kodak paper sucked! Me thinks, he doth protest too much. Stef Stefan Patric spake thus: >>>>hey! does anyone know where i could buy some kodabromide paper??? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Me thinks, he doth protest too much. Methinks he posteth too much. Signature"In 1964 Barry Goldwater declared: 'Elect me president, and I will bomb the cities of Vietnam, defoliate the jungles, herd the population into concentration camps and turn the country into a wasteland.' But Lyndon Johnson said: 'No! No! No! Don't you dare do that. Let ME do it.'" - Characterization (paraphrased) of the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson presidential race by Professor Irwin Corey, "The World's Foremost Authority." |
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