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Rediscovering colour photography by direct trichromy

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Christophe - 04 Jan 2007 11:43 GMT
Hi,
My good friend Henri Gaud try to rediscover colour photography by
direct trichromy ....
He achieved successfully fine colour 8"x10"photographs, with triX film
sheets.
The first  theoric issue is here:
http://www.galerie-photo.com/test-trichromie.html
and his blog is very active:
http://photothequegaud.free.fr/trichromie/
The text is in french, but let's see the photographic results!
regards
Christophe
Pudentame - 05 Jan 2007 21:36 GMT
> Hi,
> My good friend Henri Gaud try to rediscover colour photography by
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> regards
> Christophe

This looks like the technique that Russian guy developed for taking 3
images sequentially using R,G,B (or was it CMY) filters.

Looks pretty good except for the landscapes where the clouds move
between shots and & create fringing.
Christophe - 07 Jan 2007 14:47 GMT
Pudentame a ?crit :

> This looks like the technique that Russian guy developed for taking 3
> images sequentially using R,G,B (or was it CMY) filters.
>
> Looks pretty good except for the landscapes where the clouds move
> between shots and & create fringing.

The russian guy name is Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dellaert/aligned/

A french inventor, Auguste-Jean-Baptiste TAULEIGNE, developped his own
trichromy process in the early XXth century
http://www.medarus.org/Ardeche/07celebr/07celTex/tauleigne.html

Christophe
Pudentame - 11 Jan 2007 00:05 GMT
> Pudentame a écrit :
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> Christophe

Yup. Anyway, I thought they looked pretty good.
john - 18 Jan 2007 19:21 GMT
> > Pudentame a écrit :
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> Yup. Anyway, I thought they looked pretty good.

Please excuse me if I'm way off base here, but I remember a tri color
camera made in the 1950s that simultaneously shot 3 filtered B&W sheets
of 4 X 5 film that allowed one to directly print the 3 colors of a
color separation w/o making the separation. I believe that Tri-X or a
faster film was used due to the huge light losses due to the splitting
& filtering. Does that have any relevance to this discussion?

Regards, John Drew
Pudentame - 18 Jan 2007 23:16 GMT
>>> Pudentame a écrit :
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> Regards, John Drew

If memory serves, that's how Technicolor film cameras work, a beam
splitter and filters expose 3 B&W films simultaneously.
ellis@no.spam - 19 Jan 2007 01:10 GMT
>If memory serves, that's how Technicolor film cameras work, a beam
>splitter and filters expose 3 B&W films simultaneously.

Looks that way:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technicolor
Tom Phillips - 19 Jan 2007 05:39 GMT
> >>> Pudentame a écrit :
> >>>
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> If memory serves, that's how Technicolor film cameras work, a beam
> splitter and filters expose 3 B&W films simultaneously.

John -- technicolor was a process used for most early
color motion picture films through the 1950s, when the
expense was deemed too great and dye color films began
to be used. I don't know if color separations were ever
used for still imaging other than dye transfer. Gone
With The Wind and The Wizard of Oz, if I remember
correctly, are among the first examples of techicolor
motion picture photography. It's demise is a sad loss
to motion picture films (if anyone doubts this see
Lawerence of Arabia on DVD.)

In any case I was required in college to produce a
tricolor separation image using three b&w separation
exposures. The color is unmatched IMO.

However, tricolor photography was first developed by
James Clerk Maxwell in 1861, not Tauleigne or Gorskii,
based on a early 1800s theory by Thomas Young (who
also produce the first ever nonextant photograph in
1802)as well as Herman Helmholtz, that all colors could
be reproduced using additive primary RGB or complimentary
subtractive colors (Yellow, Magenta, Cyan.)

In 1861, Maxwell produced the first ever color separation
color image using three projected lantern slides called
Tartan Ribbon (a color separation image of a ribbon.)
darkroommike - 19 Jan 2007 15:00 GMT
A lot of advertising photography was once done with
separation cameras, one type was called a one-shot since the
 image was created on three sheets of film with one shot.
I recall reading about it in an early photography annual.
Petersons' Photography once published plans for a drop
shutter with three windows using different filters so you
could do a tri-color shot on one pie
ce of film--interest for clouds, waterfalls and other moving
objects.
darkroommike

>>>>> Pudentame a écrit :
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> color image using three projected lantern slides called
> Tartan Ribbon (a color separation image of a ribbon.)
JJ - 22 Jan 2007 14:49 GMT
> A lot of advertising photography was once done with separation cameras,
> one type was called a one-shot since the  image was created on three
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> a tri-color shot on one pie
> ce of film--interest for clouds, waterfalls and other moving objects.

I remember that contraption, but it wasn't intended to produce
separations. It was strictly a special effects thing. It was a vertical
drop shutter that passed an array of filters across the lens.

I can remember something I read fifty years ago but not what I had for
lunch yesterday.
ellis@no.spam - 19 Jan 2007 17:12 GMT
>John -- technicolor was a process used for most early color
>motion picture films through the 1950s, when the expense was
>deemed too great and dye color films began to be used.

Better film speed was a factor too. Technicolor was very slow
and required an obnoxious amount of light.
Pudentame - 20 Jan 2007 18:52 GMT
>>>>> Pudentame a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> This looks like the technique that Russian guy developed for taking 3
>>>>>> images sequentially using R,G,B (or was it CMY) filters.

> In any case I was required in college to produce a
> tricolor separation image using three b&w separation
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> color image using three projected lantern slides called
> Tartan Ribbon (a color separation image of a ribbon.)

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I make no claim the Russian guy invented color
photography, only that the images referred to in the original post
reminded me of the images he produced.
Tom Phillips - 21 Jan 2007 08:31 GMT
Well, your post said "looks like the technique that russian
guy developed..."

Course I was already very familiar with Gorskii and had
high appreciation of his work! But in fact James Clerk
Maxwell developed tricolor photography based on Thomas
Young's [very] early theories. Cheers...

> >>>>> Pudentame a écrit :
> >>>>>
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> photography, only that the images referred to in the original post
> reminded me of the images he produced.
 
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