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Gold Toner Stock Solution

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Alan Smithee - 29 Dec 2006 22:40 GMT
I'm just starting experimenting with gold toners. I bought a gram of gold
chloride. What's are people doing with regards to stock solutions? Any
favourite toners? Thx.
Lloyd Erlick - 30 Dec 2006 11:24 GMT
>I'm just starting experimenting with gold toners. I bought a gram of gold
>chloride. What's are people doing with regards to stock solutions? Any
>favourite toners? Thx.

December 30, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

Take a look at Ed Buffaloe's website called

unblinkingeye.com

He details a gold toner formula meant for
one-shot use. I've used it recently and like
it very much.

I usually work on warmtone material. I like
the Ilford version, toned in selenium for
warm results. But if the selenium toner is
followed by toning in gold chloride, the
image tone shifts to neutral black. Although
I favor warm tone, this neutral black is very
beautiful. It's very good to have the ability
to produce different results at will.

I find gold chloride very convenient to
handle in one percent solution.

regards,
--le
________________________________
Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
website: www.heylloyd.com
telephone: 416-686-0326
email: portrait@heylloyd.com
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 30 Dec 2006 16:21 GMT
> [unblinkingeye.com] details a gold toner formula
> meant for one-shot use. I've used it recently
> and like it very much.

Can I have your effluent? [insert ob smiley]

Last time I looked 1% Gold C. was $400-500/liter.
The recipe above asks for 50ml/l of 1% or
$20/l for toner working solution.  If one uses
50ml [1.6oz] per print then it is a $1/print -
OK, I guess 1-s use isn't _that_ extravagant.

Anyone make their own Gold Chloride:

Gold    $637 / oz (ouch)
         $22 / gm

        $147 gold per liter of 1% [10gm of gold chloride
                                   contains 6.5gm gold]
Aqua R.   $5 [conc. hydrochloric + nitric acids] WAG
        ====
       ~$160/l materials cost

Vs $400/l from Photographer's formulary.  OTOH, would I
consider $240 just recompense for dealing with Aqua Regia?

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Alan Smithee - 30 Dec 2006 19:00 GMT
So, 1 gram gold chloride in enough distilled water to make 100 ml of volume
would be 1 per cent? A lot of formula call for .2 per cent. So just make a
working solution of 1:5 from the stock solution.

> > [unblinkingeye.com] details a gold toner formula
> > meant for one-shot use. I've used it recently
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> Vs $400/l from Photographer's formulary.  OTOH, would I
> consider $240 just recompense for dealing with Aqua Regia?
Lloyd Erlick - 30 Dec 2006 20:46 GMT
>So, 1 gram gold chloride in enough distilled water to make 100 ml of volume
>would be 1 per cent?

December 30, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

That's how I do it. In fact, starting with
one hundred point aught ml, dropping in one
gram of gold chloride might not make the
whole thing much more than a tenth of a
liter. I don't bother trying to make it
"exact". I just drop back to the old
consistency gambit and do it the same way
each time instead.

regards,
--le
________________________________
Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
website: www.heylloyd.com
telephone: 416-686-0326
email: portrait@heylloyd.com
________________________________
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Lloyd Erlick - 30 Dec 2006 20:45 GMT
December 30, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

Nice pretty grams of bright yellow gold
chloride sell for around thirty five dollars.
Dissolve one in a hundred grams of water...

A liter would be ten times that cost, so
three-four hundred per liter.

I'm not exactly sure of the exact chloride of
gold they sell. Trichloride?

Anyway, two to four ml of the 1% gold
solution suffice for one 16x20. I only use
one liter to gold tone a 16x20, it's not
really a stretch to make it cover. I do it
for ten minutes, and I warm the solution to
the same temperature as my selenium toner,
about body temp. Frankly, I don't see a
difference between more or less gold in the
solution, or a temperature effect between
room and warmed up, or a difference depending
on length of time in the solution. It just
goes neutral black. I gold tone after fairly
complete selenium toning (KRST 1+5 for ten
minutes).

At $35 per gram, it's about thirty-five cents
per ml, so cost is about seventy cents to a
dollar and a half per 16x20 (for the gold).
There is also the thiocyanate to consider,
and its price will vary widely depending
where, when etc.

I've been figuring an overall cost of about
three Canadian bucks per 16x20 that I gold
tone. Of course, only the ones I deem worthy
get the gold, so the cost is strictly
directed, at least.

Also, the solution of gold lasts
indefinitely, and the thiocyanate is stored
dry in its bottle until needed, so it lasts
too.

I don't mind the cost because it's an easy
solution to make up and use, and it is used
only on a fraction of my prints. The look of
the print is definitely changed, so when I
like it, it's worth it. Plus, of course,
there is the undeniable snob value, what with
how much better my prints become than any of
the other prints at the Salon ...

I find it's perfectly easy to use one liter
of one-shot gold toner (as above) to tone a
20x24 sheet.

I haven't experimented with using the same
liter of toner on a number of successive
prints. Possibly the unit cost could be
reduced that way.

regards,
--le
________________________________
Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
website: www.heylloyd.com
telephone: 416-686-0326
email: portrait@heylloyd.com
________________________________
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>> [unblinkingeye.com] details a gold toner formula
>> meant for one-shot use. I've used it recently
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>Vs $400/l from Photographer's formulary.  OTOH, would I
>consider $240 just recompense for dealing with Aqua Regia?
 
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