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C-41 formulas

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gnwpayne - 17 Nov 2006 03:19 GMT
Does anyone know a C-41 formula that doesn't contain formaldehyde in
the stabilizer? If so, I like to see it. Formaldehyde is very difficult
to obtain and very toxic. Thanks
Rod Smith - 17 Nov 2006 03:46 GMT
> Does anyone know a C-41 formula that doesn't contain formaldehyde in
> the stabilizer? If so, I like to see it. Formaldehyde is very difficult
> to obtain and very toxic. Thanks

Formaldehyde (or closely related compounds) was necessary to properly
stabilize C-41 films until recently. Most modern films, though, are
intended to be processed without the use of a formaldehyde stabilizer.
Kodak now sells a product called "final rinse" or something similar for
use with these films. Using this product with older films, though, may
lead to accelerated fading. Kodak has some information on this on their
Web site, but I'm afraid I don't have an exact URL handy.

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Rob Novak - 17 Nov 2006 16:33 GMT
>Does anyone know a C-41 formula that doesn't contain formaldehyde in
>the stabilizer? If so, I like to see it. Formaldehyde is very difficult
>to obtain and very toxic. Thanks

Tetenal C-41 Rapid Kit uses a formaldehyde-free stabilizer.  I believe
that the Kodak Flexicolor final rinse is a surfactant only, and does
not contain a stabilizer.  Kodak claims that their new films (Gold,
Portra, MAX, etc.) do not require stabilization.

That being said, I find the stabilizer quantities supplied with most
kits to be inadequate if you don't run a lot of film.  The working
solutions don't store well, IME.  I end up making my own stabilizer
with PhotoFlo and formalin (which I buy from an aquarium supply house
in pint bottles - it's an antiparasitic agent).  Per liter of rinse, I
add 5ml of PhotoFlo and 10ml of standard 37% formalin to 500ml of
distilled water, and then add water to a final volume of 1000ml.  The
formaldehyde concentration in this bath is 0.37%

Disposal of said rinse is regulated by your local authority.  Where I
live, I can legally dispose of up to 100g by weight of formaldehyde
into the public sewer per day.  At the above concentration, I'd have
to dump 27 liters of the stuff to hit that limit (3.7g of formaldehyde
per liter).

When working with this solution and when handling film wet with it, I
would suggest nitrile rubber gloves (available anywhere
surgical/medical supplies are sold - they're typically labelled
"latex-free", but not the PVC kind), which come in cool colors like
bright purple. ;-)

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darkroommike - 30 Nov 2006 02:55 GMT
You could also purchase just the Stabilizer from Kodak, a little goes a
long, long way and mix the rest of your formulas from "scratch".
darkroommike

> Does anyone know a C-41 formula that doesn't contain formaldehyde in
> the stabilizer? If so, I like to see it. Formaldehyde is very difficult
> to obtain and very toxic. Thanks
 
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