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Imitating classic BW photos

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Peregrine Rigging - 16 Apr 2006 10:04 GMT
I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles Sheller's and
Edward Weston's work with industrial sites - Armco and Ford. I am
working in 35mm format. Anyone have suggestions for paper and
developer?
Jean-David Beyer - 16 Apr 2006 10:59 GMT
> I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles Sheller's and
> Edward Weston's work with industrial sites - Armco and Ford. I am
> working in 35mm format. Anyone have suggestions for paper and
> developer?

I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler?

In any case, Edward Weston printed on Platinum paper until one of his sons
showed him some prints on silver-gelatin paper (Azo?), and he switched to
that. I would not say the s.g. prints are especially warm. Many of E.W.'s
prints look brownish and disagreeable to me in terms of print color, though
those were probably the platinum ones, but it may be that the prints I have
seen are not that good (though they should be: most of the ones I have seen
were at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC). I have an E.W. print of a Juniper
tree, printed by his son Cole, that is very nice, but it looks as though it
was probably printed on something like Oriental Seagull or possibly Ilford
Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I
actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself.

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Richard Knoppow - 17 Apr 2006 03:23 GMT
>> I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles
>> Sheller's and
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> selenium toned. I
> actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself.

  Almost all of the Weston prints I've seen (and that's a
lot) are on neutral or cold paper. He printed on many kinds
of paper encluding enlarging paper. some of his old prints
look brown because they were not fixed completely and have
sulfided over the years. His Platinium prints also vary in
tone.
  Years ago there were many warm tone papers, they were
popular for portrait work. There are still some warm tone
papers but they probably don't look exactly like the old
ones. Developer makes a difference in the image color.
Perhaps the best way to get a brownish tone is to tone the
print in Kodak Brown Toner. KBT works well for partial
toning because it does not split tone. This also results in
good image protection from partial toning. While the
instructions are to use it a 100F, it can be used at lower
temperatures with consequent longer tonint time. This can be
an advantage if one wants only a slight color shift. To stop
the toning from continuing in the wash bath the print should
be treated in a bath of 10% Sodium Sulfite or in stock
strength Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent, for a short time before
washing. This will also eliminate any possible staining.
Developers also affect the color the image turns when
toning. There is on rule for this, one must experiment. In
general, lower activity developers or the addition of
Potassium bromide to any developer, tends to shift the image
color toward yellow.

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John - 17 Apr 2006 06:00 GMT
>I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler?
>
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>Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I
>actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself.

Were there any really warm toned Amidol developers used around EW's
time ?

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Thor Lancelot Simon - 17 Apr 2006 07:11 GMT
>>I do not know Charles Sheller. Do you mean Charles Sheeler?
>>
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>Were there any really warm toned Amidol developers used around EW's
>time ?

Weston Amidol is *very* cold tone -- even colder than Formulary Amidol,
which I used as a standard developer for a few months.  If there is a
warm-tone developer using Amidol as the main developing agent I've
never heard of it.

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Peregrine Rigging - 17 Apr 2006 09:54 GMT
Yes, I meant Sheeler.

>> I want to imitate the warm (?) look found in Charles Sheller's and
>> Edward Weston's work with industrial sites - Armco and Ford. I am
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Galerie paper. I.e., normal black, possibly slightly selenium toned. I
>actually like it better than one printed by E.W. himself.
 
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