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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / March 2006Can I trim a negative?
I have a 4 inch by 4 3/4 inch B & W negative from probably the early 1960's. It's on "Kodak Safety 482". Two quick questions. 1. Was there anything special about this film, as in was it generally used by professionals, or was it pretty common? 2. I would like to trim this down a bit on all for sides. Do I risk flaking on the edges, and would a sharp exacto knife be my best bet? (I think that was three questions posing as two? Thanks Why not just crop the print? If you have a 4x5 enlarger use your Xacto knife to make a carrier out of scrap matt board or poster board and crop the prints. I hate to mess with anything original. The type 482 does not ring a bell. Might be possible to guess if I knew what the subject of the image was. Just a wild guess, it may be some kind of copy negative or direct duplicating product and the format sounds like possibly aerial or some other specialty camera system.  Signaturedarkroommike > I have a 4 inch by 4 3/4 inch B & W negative from probably the early > 1960's. It's on "Kodak Safety 482". Two quick questions. 1. Was there [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thanks > Why not just crop the print? If you have a 4x5 enlarger use your Xacto > knife to make a carrier out of scrap matt board or poster board and crop the > prints. I hate to mess with anything original. There is something on the negative that devalues the entire image. If I can cut it out without causing ANY damage to the image that I am keeping, that's the way I'd like to go. Can I? > The type 482 does not ring a bell. Might be possible to guess if I knew > what the subject of the image was. Just a wild guess, it may be some kind [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> Thanks > > Why not just crop the print? If you have a 4x5 enlarger use your Xacto > > knife to make a carrier out of scrap matt board or poster board and crop the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cut it out without causing ANY damage to the image that I am > keeping, that's the way I'd like to go. Can I? If you're going to make the print yourself in a darkroom, you can dodge/burn out the offending section without difficulty. Or (even easier) just crop it out if it's on an edge. If you're going to have someone else make a print, you could just tell them which section you want dodged/burned/cropped out. If you physically cut the negative you might make it more difficult to put into the negative carrier/keep flat in the negative carrier, or scratch it or otherwise damage it. Tim I hate to even suggest this in a wet-chemistry ng, and beg everyone's forgiveness in advance, but... why not scan the negative, digitally remove whatever it is you don't like and use that to make your image. Put the original neg away somewhere dark, cool and quiet and if sometime down the road you decide the offending portion wasn't so offending after all, well, you haven't done anything permanent to the original. Cheers, Gabriel [...] > > There is something on the negative that devalues the entire image. If I can > > cut it out without causing ANY damage to the image that I am > > keeping, that's the way I'd like to go. Can I? [...] The negative in question has great commercial value if sold on it's own, * as long as the offending small image has been removed. I suppose I could make a negative of the negative, and then cut it out, but then it wouldn't be the original. I made a very small scratch in one of the corners, and now realize that if the xacto cutting is not done perfectly, there might be very small chunks on the edges of the negative that might flake off. > I hate to even suggest this in a wet-chemistry ng, and beg everyone's > forgiveness in advance, but... why not scan the negative, digitally remove [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > [...] > The negative in question has great commercial value if sold on it's own, > * as long as the offending small image has been removed. I suppose I could > make a negative of the negative, and then cut it out, but then it wouldn't > be the original. Just for clarification. Do you want to sell the physical negative and rights to it or prints taken from the negative? Pete Signaturehttp://www.petezilla.co.uk That's a great question. "I will be selling 1-500 prints, and then I thought I would sell the negative", wondering why he asked. >> The negative in question has great commercial value if sold on it's own, >> * as long as the offending small image has been removed. I suppose I could [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pete The question then becomes do you "own" the image as opposed to just having the negative in your possession (I think we've covered this ground before with you or someone else in the last month). You can have a negative but not own the rights to reproduce the image. You need a consultation with someone versed in the copyright laws in your locality. Note that physically altering the negative will not alter the original copyright (and I hope you're not trying to excise the owners copyright imprint, many photographers used to write their copyright info on their negatives with India Ink or imprint it with a gold stamping machine). Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the more I read in this thread the more distressed I become. Signaturedarkroommike > That's a great question. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Pete > That's a great question. > > "I will be selling 1-500 prints, and then I thought I would sell the > negative", wondering why he asked. Because (noting Mike Kings post following) for the prints there is no need to trim the neg at all. Signaturehttp://www.petezilla.co.uk Pat Sounds like lantern slide size. ( An early projector that typically used glass slides.) Omega made a negative carrier for this. Be hard to find one though. Beyond this make a scan and a copy of the negative. Mask as desired. Maybe make a slide or glass negative from it by mounting it in glass. Bob AZ Walker Evans used to cut up his negatives with nail scissors so that editors would not be able to change the framing. You'd be following in a great tradition. The nes were a devil to print. Pat Harkin spake thus: > I have a 4 inch by 4 3/4 inch B & W negative from probably the early > 1960's. It's on "Kodak Safety 482". Two quick questions. 1. Was there > anything special about this film, as in was it generally used by > professionals, or was it pretty common? 2. I would like to trim this down > a bit on all for sides. Do I risk flaking on the edges, and would a sharp > exacto knife be my best bet? Hmm, vexing question, as you're being a bit coy about this (what is this: is there a pornographic image in the corner? something incriminating?). In any case, another answer: yes, you can safely cut the negative with scissors. I wouldn't worry about flaking; just stay a little way outside the part of the image you want to keep. But now you have an odd-size negative that you'll only be able to handle one of two ways: 1. Print using a glass negative carrier 2. Scan and print the scan. SignatureSecond, Scientologists are like computers trying to run an emulation of another computer. It can be done, but the performance is awful. Scientologists are trying to run a bad copy of LRH. - Keith Henson, from alt.religion.scientology >Pat Harkin spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >this: is there a pornographic image in the corner? something >incriminating?). I'm guessing "copyright so-and-so". SignatureThor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "We cannot usually in social life pursue a single value or a single moral aim, untroubled by the need to compromise with others." - H.L.A. Hart Thor Lancelot Simon spake thus: >> Pat Harkin spake thus: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I'm guessing "copyright so-and-so". Well, in that case, then no, you absolutely cannot cut it! SignatureSecond, Scientologists are like computers trying to run an emulation of another computer. It can be done, but the performance is awful. Scientologists are trying to run a bad copy of LRH. - Keith Henson, from alt.religion.scientology |
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